Texas has more than double New York's unvaccinated, but fewer COVID deaths

I suspect that one of the reasons why NY is seeing a rise in deaths is that it is now known that the vaccine protection does not last as long as expected. Many in NY had the vaccine as soon as available, much before those in Texas and Florida. We may see deaths rise in these two states once the protection of the vaccine starts to wear off there too

 

It's well publicised that Florida are not reporting all deaths. If you want to question that you would need to explain Texas figures as they are following the same Covid rules as Florida

 

On July 14, 2021, 50% of Americans were fully vaccinated.

U.S. Population, June 30th, 2021; 332 million X 50% = 166 million

By July 14, 2021, less than 6 million out of 74 children were vaccinated, and we’ve only started vaccinating children under 12 in November 2021.

Fact; Among all age groups, Children have the lowest Covid19 death rate, thus, if we were to exclude them, Nationally, and on July 14, 2021, how many adults were fully vaccinated and unvaccinated?

Fully vaccinated; 166M - 6M Children =160M Adults
Unvaccinated; 166M - 68M Children = 98M Adults

Number of Covid19 coded deaths from July 14, 2021 to January 24th, 2022;

NY; 9,833 deaths........Source; Worldometer
Fully vaccinated rate as of July 14; 56%.......6% above national rate
Source; Texas Coronavirus Full Vaccination Rate, ycharts.com

Texas; 25,542 deaths......Source; Worldometer
Fully vaccinated rate as of July 14; 38%......12% below national rate
Source; Texas Coronavirus Full Vaccination Rate, ycharts.com

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HOWEVER, compared to NY, Texans/Southern regions were heavily hit by Delta, thus, that may also explain said huge differential of Covid deaths, (as of July 14).

On again, when making comparisons, there are so many negative factors to consider, and for said reason, State’s Covid stats, and Covid stats relative to vaccination rates are rationally incomparable.

IMO, State’s comparisons have become “politically” childish.

 

In addition to the above,

What would be a rational and a fair comparison?

Death rate among fully vaccinated Adults

Versus

Death rate among unvaccinated Adults

And just a national comparison, thus, no different than comparing the Covid death rates of two age groups.

Thus, who wants to create a thread on said rational and fair comparison?

 

Corrections; State’s Covid stats, relative to vaccination rates are rationally incomparable

NY Fully Vaccination Rate, Jul 14........Source; NY Coronavirus Full Vaccination Rate, ycharts.com

 

Not exactly.

Texas DoH Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths count includes “Probable”, whereas Florida excludes “Probable”, thus, a differential of approximately 3% of total Covid coded deaths.

Note; Most Red States excluded PROBABLE.

Anticipated response from Republicans; “Yeah, but Texas DoH is managed by liberals, thus, no wonder”

 

Also, since the beginning of the Pandemic, FL DoH only reported LAB Confirmed Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths.

In addition, since early June 2021, they’ve only reported Resident’s Covid Coded Deaths.

Reason why I keep saying Covid Coded is due to the fact that the States have been coding their deaths, thus, not the CDC.

 

If it's well publicized then publicize it. What's the true number? Also, Florida didn't make 200+ covid deaths simply disappear son. New York had more, despite New Yorkers living with significantly greater restrictions on their lives and having far fewer unvaccinated.

 

~ As with Donald Trump, DeSantis tells it like it is - but more articulate and diplomatic. He puts people first and is not afraid to speak for them.

 

I listened to the video, and DeSantis made at least one inaccurate claim, however, all politicians do.

 

No-one has any problem with humor. It's just that in this instance 'humor' (or at least an attempt at it) was deployed right at the moment you'd been backed into a (losing) corner during a debate by hard, real world numbers on COVID hospitalization rates and deaths amongst US citizens in various States. So it would seem to be more about you wanting to avoid admitting your were wrong than about 'laughs'.

One other point. The definition of progressive left is not 'anyone on the planet who disagrees with you'.

 

~ We don't have " hard real word " numbers on Covid. We have what governments want us to see. The same with the "vaccine " that isn't. It would have been nice to know early on that no immunity exists and transmission between the "vaccinated " occurs after multiple dose. It would have been beneficial to know the research and test results of the experiment by pharmaceutical companies as soon as available - instead they want to wait 75 years. We all lose in this situation .
Praise the authorities and trust away if you must - I remain joyfully skeptical.

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I was just looking at their hospitalization rates for vaccinated/unvaccinated and they're 3.98 v. 54.64, so seems it's still doing something, and presumably would have a positive impact on death rates. I rarely focus on a state on a day-to-day basis - only doing it now because certain others are fixated - and usually have a see what comes out in the wash approach.

Here's the link to the page. The data on this page at least lags by about a week and all the NY Covid pages are a bit clunky, c.1992 style.
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data

 

People were forced to guess, and still are, about natural immunity, because our esteemed scientists like Fauci and friends didn't bother to tell us what kind of immunity we have after infection. I mean why tell someone that it's probably ok to be next to their mother in her dying moments, right?

 

1The numbers relating to COVID are bsed on positive results obtained by or reported to the US Health system. While there is always a margin of error in such large and complex sample groups significant errors would require deliberate and covert interference i.e that most magical of beasts a conspiracy. Are you claiming there was and is an ongoing conspiracy to distort the results and if so what is your evidence.

The above statements indicate a poor understanding of vaccination, how it works, what it is intended to do and how long it lasts. For a start no vaccine ever produced is 100% effective in all people 100% of the time. For a multitude of well established reasons including the type of agent the vaccine is designed to counter a % of the population who get vaccinated will as a rule still catch the disease . This is fact. It is also fact however that as a rule most such people will suffer milder illness as a result of being vaccinated than an vaccinated person would. This is true of all vaccine presentable diseases including COVID. This is fact. The hard data from generations of study and real world results confirm this.

In addition numerous common vaccines, not just COVID vaccines require booster shots. There is a long list but it includes several vaccines that have been around for decades such as the MMR vaccine, tetanus and diphtheria. COVID is also a new virus so work is currently underway on developing vaccines that produce a longer lasting immunity since there was no way of knowing until time has passed how long the first generation of vaccines would, on average provide immunity for. (Therefore absent a time machine or a crystal ball, neither you, the researchers involved in their development or anyone else could know how long that was.)

Lastly it is also fact that the immunity granted by many vaccines will fade over time, nor do many vaccines prevent the vaccinated from spreading the disease, they just significantly reduce the chance of a vaccinated person spreading the disease compared to someone who is vaccinated. Your comments indicate you expect 'perfection' or 100% certainly regarding how the effectiveness and safety of vaccines. In the real world there is no such thing as 100% surety - about anything.

Dont know what the 75 year comment is about unless you believe again that vaccine researchers deliberately hide negative data showing clear evidence of adverse health effects in order to get vaccines to market. That would require another conspiracy however ever and criminal one at that.

 

I have heard health professionals behind podiums say that if the person has Covid at the time of death, then it is counted as a Covid death. The numbers mean absolutely nothing.

 

99.9% False

I don’t believe the health professionals who completes the certificates of death would say that....it is anti-professional.

 

~ We don't know... that is the point. Fortunately a judge ordered release of information so hopefully in the near future we will .

 

No one knew, not even our experts.

And according to a few below average intelligent posters, Sweden was supposed to achieve herd immunity by the end of April 2020.

 

~ Oh yes they do. It is basic knowledge. They also know this virus did not occur naturally in nature - it was engineered/modified in a laboratory.

 

Well you're wrong and the footage is out there.

 

No one knew that once a human recovers from an illness they often have some sort of immunity? Yes they did.

 

For your info, both the CDC and the states will publish their 2020’s mortality final reports before mid August, thus, a huge mortality debate is forthcoming.

Until then, there’s no point of arguing over who died of Covid related illnesses, and who should have died of other causes.

In addition, I already know YOUR LAST WORDS of said forthcoming debate; “Someone has cooked the books”.

Mark my words; Those who believe that Covid death counts have been significantly inflated will undoubtedly be ridiculed, and there will be no escape from the truth.

 

The CDC has a page showing comparative rates (vaccinated/unvaccinated) for "Cases and deaths", as well as "Hospitalizations" which to my mind is pretty much as "rational and fair" and it gets?

Cases and Deaths rates are for people aged 12+ in both groups, so people who can't be vaccinated are stripped out already, and the comparison is apples-to-apples. (Under the first chart it compares the risks for 18+ year olds, but the data in the chart itself is 12+ as explained at the top of the page.) Downside is that it's only updated monthly. There's a couple of very small bullets to the left of the chart for toggling between cases and deaths, which personally I couldn't see without specs, so thought I'd point that out. Also, an "Age Group" button, for drilling down to specific ages.

They've added a second chart to the page which includes boosters.

The Hospitalization rates page has a top chart which is all 18+ year olds, and another showing particular age groups.

Case and death rates
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

Hospitalization rates
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination