Texas Judge Strikes Down Obama’s Affordable Care Act as Unconstitutional

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    Nor will you. But I imagine that my world is far more likely than yours.
     
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    Goodness, you have much to learn. Good luck.
     
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    Hmmm. I believe that was the message given to the abolitionists. Wonder who was right.
     
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    Nor will you. But I imagine that my world is far more likely than yours.

    That is a fallacy of equivalency to ever think that the Randians are anywhere near the high moral quality of the abolitionists. You guys would approve of slavery: survival of the fittest.
     
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    That was not a free market system. In fact it was a closed shop.
     
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    It appears to be what conservative Republicans want to go back to, and that would be a massive mistake, because it didn't work for so many Americans.
     
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    No, they do not want to return to the situation where insurance companies, with powerful lobbyists, were given territories where competition was discouraged via legislation. Trump actively campaigned against the system. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/19/trump-opens-association-plans-across-state-lines/
     
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    Judge Bean’s ruling will be overturned.

    And he will get re-elected for being a moron.
     
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    Federal judges are appointed for life, not elected.
     
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    So what Trump wants is to expand the territories the major insurance companies control. Why would any moron think making a few insurance companies even more dominant in the national market would reduce consumer costs is beyond intelligent comprehension.
     
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    Don't buy their product.
    Cut them out of the loop.
     
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    Doesn't work. You cannot possibly get prices from hospitals and doctors that even gets close to what the insurance companies pay for the same procedures. It would be so simple to pass legislation that requires every doctor and hospital to charge everyone the same. Not saying that every doctor or hospital has to charge the same but that no hospital or doctor can charge different patients differently for the same procedures. But then of course if that were to happen it might actually be practical to go without insurance and pay directly for service or at least insurance might go back to being insurance against catastrophic events instead of a financial necessity.
     
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    They need your business.
    Not difficult.
    Amish have no insurance. The hospitals and physicians compete for their business.

    Why does such a smart person as yourself always play the helpless victim role?
     
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    Will it? I don't remember that being a problem before the ACA was even a gleam in Obama's eye. As I recall, back then, if you were simply changing insurance companies, but DID have prior coverage, pre-existing conditions were covered. The problem was with people who CHOSE to not have insurance until something, even as simple as a pregnancy, happened, and they tried to get insurance and expected to be covered, but were not. But that was their fault for waiting until **** happened. When I lived in WA, they tried forcing insurance providers to cover pre-existing conditions under all circumstances, even for those who chose to only purchase coverage after that condition raised it's head. What happened was that virtually every insurance company pulled out of the State, and you couldn't buy anything at any price unless you already had established coverage.

    The law of unintended consequences at work. They eventually repealed that law.
     
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    You never read the link or you didn't understand it. Either way you remain uninformed.
     
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    Well, obviously, you are a fraud. Bye.
     
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    Imagine your house burns down, you car is damaged, and then trying to buy insurance. Good luck.

    To demand insurance for pre-existing condititions is immoral—it’s legalized theft from those who provide insurance, and those who live life morally. Only the cheat, liar, thief,and the irresponsibly reckless benefit from the pre-existing insurance scam.
     
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    If you're serious, then you have a screwed up sense of morality. Having arthritis made me a "cheat, liar, thief,and the irresponsibly reckless"??? Having a hysterectomy made my wife "cheat, liar, thief,and the irresponsibly reckless"??? Those were the "pre-existing" conditions my wife & I were denied coverage for, in 2008, by every single insurance company we tried.
     
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    To not allow insurance for pre-existing conditions is immoral

    It is medical theft from those who oppose it.

    "Only the cheat, liar, thief,and the irresponsibly immoral benefit" opposiing pre-existing insurance.
     
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    Your ills are not a blank check on my life. Having arthritis doesn’t give you the right to demand I pay for your walkers. It’s your life; leave mine alone.

    It’s not being sick that’s wrong; it’s using the government’s gun to force others to provide for your care—I’m not yours or anyone else’s frigging slave.
     
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    Libertarians and anarchists hate living in a We the People free society.
     
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    Whoops, my mistake.
     
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    And it's the inane mentality like yours that's going to drive this situation into a direction you ain't going to like, Buckwheat. As we Baby Boomers age, and most of us end up with pre-existing conditions, you can bet that the pressure to make coverage mandatory for pre-existing conditions, whether you like it or not.
     

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