Thanks to Cliven Bundy he has exposed the bigger picture

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  1. bwk

    bwk Well-Known Member

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    http://on.msnbc.com/1nOLTrQ

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    We all know that Cliven Bundy has no use for the federal government even though he carries around the U.S. flag, whatever that means, but in the scheme of it all, Bundy has exposed the hypocrisy of these government haters to a level most of us do not truly appreciate. For example, the water tanks Bundy uses to water his cows are paid for by taxpayers, while he uses them for free. He has no use for the federal government, but if it weren't for them he would never sell his cattle courtesy of the USDA for inspecting the meat that goes to market. Timber companies are provided maintained roads to access timber resources on federal lands for a profit at tax payer expense, which ends up being a liability loss for the taxpayer. The same thing for mining rights, guaranteed farm insurance subsidies for farmers and politicians on their own farms. The tax payers pay for football player salaries, stadiums, and owners much at 100% cost to the taxpayer. And yet all these welfare recipients target the welfare poor by reducing their food stamps to pre-k students, the working poor, the sick, and the elderly, while all the while demonizing these people.

    So, lets summarize this oh so interesting dynamic. The taxpayer pays for all these subsidies like water tanks, the land the cows graze on, the USDA inspectors, the roads for private timber companies to extract timber at taxpayer expense, free mining rights on lands paid for by taxpayers that we get nothing out of, and yet these very welfare rich people claim there is too much government overreach while the government is providing these people all this welfare, while simultaneously demonizing poor people on welfare and food stamps most of them would rather not be on. And the truth be known, the welfare money spent on the poor is less than the welfare money spent on the folks like Bundy who have no use for government and hate the poor. Now that is what I call the big picture exposed.
     
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    i assumed he was getting subsidies since he is a farmer
     
  3. bwk

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    Lol! I didn't expect much of an argument from the right on this. https://www.google.com/search?q=ima...estcoastroaches.com%2F%3Farticle%3D92;400;400 Sort of puts a nice hypocritical touch by the right on the welfare/ over reach / hate government argument, now doesn't it?
     
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    Racists have a crappy agenda.

    That racism has tainted American politics and money has been a catalyst for that same CORRUPTION.

    Racists are dangerous and destructive people, in general. It is time for Americans to KNOW that and view things accordingly.

    I picked up on the workings of THIS wealthy 'racist' today. :(
     
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    you truly live in a eff'd up dysfunctional society infected with extremist retards..you have my sincere condolences...

    and I thought my country had too many nutters :roflol:
     
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    It's laughable I agree, but yet so sad. My OP points perfectly to the exact problem that is going on here with Bundy and the rest of these hard core extremists who couldn't decipher the difference between right and wrong if their lives depended on it. It's absolutely amazing. They demonize government while conducting a campaign of hate for the poor, while they themselves use the government more than the poor who they demonize. That's (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) up. And if they didn't use the government in the capacity that they do, they couldn't make a living. It's unbelievable. You want to talk about people not seeing the forest for the trees. Bundy and his crowd are exhibit A.
     
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    Leave it to theMSNBC liars to say that which is diametrically opposed to the truth.

    The big issue is that the federal government owns too much land, particularly in the West.
     
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    Lol! Yea, and everyone out there wants their little piece of desert paradise that they can pay taxes on. :roflol: And of course you totally avoided the entire message I put forth in my OP. What a surprise. Scared to address those issues I see.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Of course I dodged a steaming pile of garbage.
     
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    Yea, real smooth. You couldn't debunk, refute, or prove that garbage is garbage, if your very existence depended on it. That so called garbage is the nuts and bolts of that entire issue exposed for what it really is, and there is nothing you can counter to change it. You can only trash talk with nothing of substance to disprove the points I made. So jump in and make a fool of yourself like Bundy. Because a foolish argument is all he and you have.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    The ubderlying issue is excessive government ownership of land. Get rid of that and everything else resolves itself.-
     
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    Get your ass and Cliven's to court and prove it. Elect someone that will hear you concerning the same; and throw in some support for those people being encroached-upon by the Keystone XL, while you're at it.

    This notion of bringing out guns to change laws, is chaotic and ignorant.
     
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    His argument is beyond weak that it's hard to see straight. If those ranchers were so hell bent on owning that land/ paying taxes, that is mostly desert, I want to see that desire to own all this desert land just so they can pay taxes on it. Lol! It's cheaper if they rent it, while the government provides the water tanks at a loss to the government. But the government is the bad guy. Not to mention, he never did address all the freeloading out west that I mentioned and how what goes on with that welfare crowd is no different than the poor being on welfare, when the poor don't use as much welfare as the non poor. They are drowning with this whole argument with no Island to swim too, which is why they refuse to address the thread in its entirety. Heck, in over 24 hours I've only had one challenge this argument, and he goes and talks about land ownership. The federal government owns 87% of the land in Nevada and there's a reason for it. Because no one wants it. It's cheaper for ranchers to rent it. His argument is so moot it's not even funny. He uses that as his excuse to deal with the topic,which has never been the problem. The welfare cowboy and his militia rednecks who hate the federal government need the federal government in every way imaginable. I outlined those reasons in my OP and Taxcutter is afraid to address those reasons. He wants to talk land ownership. Lol!
     
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    Cliven Bundy is the quintessential conservative/neoconservative. There can be no better example for the world to see.

    This is why most Republican politicians are putting as much distance as possible between themselves and Bundy and his supporters.

    It is one thing to court the crackpot, right wing fringe, but becoming one is political suicide. To become one scares the moderate voters away, and itÂ’s the moderates that decide elections.
     
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    It sure is an interesting story wrt dynamics.

    The 'left' doesn't like government over-reach and that showed up in OWS. The 'right' hated that with a passion.

    The 'right' doesn't like government over-reach and that showed in Bundyland. The 'left' hated that with a passion.

    I'd have to conclude both 'sides' are being played hard.
     
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    We also need to thank Clive Bundy for his part in exposing to the world the right wing craziness of Fox News, Sean Hannity and republican politicians and how dangerous they are.

    We need to remind Democratic politicians to use the valuable Fox News footage in their campaign ads. The idiots at Fox unknowingly filmed the Democratic campaign TV ads for them.
     
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    I've yet to see a quote from Cliven Bundy saying specifically that he has no use for the federal government. I hate to break up this left wing circle jerk of disinformation like that but it's true.

    I know he has no use for the BLM but I'm still waiting for the first progressive sophist to provide a statement where Bundy says he has no use for
    the federal government at all, as alleged. It's a leftist urban legend and if Bundy has specifically said what he's supposed to have said (or it is wished he had said) I have yet to see it.
     
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    MSNBC's Chris Matthews and his famous Obamagasm leg tingles when the Left's Anointed One spoke. Yeah . . . that's really left a long term mark.
     
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    It's going to be impossible for Republicans and Teapublicans to hide from their support for Bundy, especially during this election year.

    As you pointed out, "Good Old Boy" Cliven has created the political ads for the Democrats, and there can be no right wing denial that these ads are true.

    The GOP/TP and the right-wingers are anxious to see the Bundy issue die off.
     
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    So around October and November the DNC is going to sink millions upon millions of dollars into ads about Bundy and by then the public's reaction will be . . ."Who the fork is this dude and why should we care? What the hell has the DNC been smoking now?"

    Meanwhile the RNC will simply be running ads featuring Obama lying to the entire nation about something that actually has hit people in their pocket books and irritated the hell out of them. "If you like your current Health Care Plan and your doctor then you can keep them, period." Sweet!
     
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    You've got that right. Hannity and Jones jumped head first into the cement swimming pool with no water, and now they are trying to figure out how you swim in a pool that has none. Maybe they should have looked in the pool first you think?
     
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    The GOP/TP has been counting on Obamacare for their negative advertising and their promise to repeal. But the rapidly growing success of that program, and the fact that the majority of Americans do not want it repealed is a bigger problem that will be faced by conservatives and neoconservatives this election year.
     
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    Pssst . . . then why is the Democratic Party leadership and their countless political advisers . . . panicked?
     
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    This is funny stuff right here. What Cliven Bundy said was, that he doesn't recognize the federal government. Care to dissect the distinction between that and having no use for the federal government? Lol! If he doesn't recognize it, of course he has no use for it. How can you have a use for something that doesn't exist? And this still does not address the OP. The folks from the right are totally 100% avoiding the OP thread. Not surprising!

    :roflol: You folks are killing me. And the BLM is who? Let me help you out; http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en.html
     
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    So you can't provide a quote from Bundy as well? Why not just say so?
     

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