That's not good - ex Jakartas Governor gets 2 years

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  1. Indofred

    Indofred Banned at Members Request

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    The cops have finally got around to issuing an arrest warrant for the FPI's chief idiot.
    Last anyone heard he was in Malaysia, hiding from the law like a frightened rabbit.
     
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    Is there an English version of the article?
     
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    Oops, sorry, My Indonesian is getting much better now and I don't always realise it isn't in English.
    I'm unaware of an English version but just pick up the names and google as I suggest.
    Your eyes will begin to open.
    There are a lot more players, but these are some of the more serious ones.
     
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    That blog is a bit eye opening. Is it a reputable source? Christians, Mossad, Saudis, child sex , CIA assets... you've got it all!
     
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    religion is discussed often, but you aren't allowed to insult anyone's religion. That's one of the charges he and a couple of others are up on and it could likely get him six years slammed up. Quite right too.

    Sex here is a private thing so not much talked about in public but boys are boys and girls are girls, so the normal discussions you would expect in any country are just as normal her with groups of men or women, but not mixed groups.

    There is little advantage in porn and it's something I grew out of by the time I was 13. I was fed up with strip joints before I turned 19, realising both were for pointless wankers who couldn't get a girlfriend.
    I don't especially object to porn as long as the parties concerned are all willing and of an age to take part but I consider it to be pointless rubbish for fools and young teenage boys with an overactive right hand.

    In this case the illegality of porn is quite handy because:
    It makes our super religious dude look like a moron
    it's likely to get him another six years slammed up, so probably in need a of a little paper excitement, unless he should turn to sodomy.
     
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    Sadly, it is roughly accurate but the government is fighting hard for the side of common sense and reasonable behaviour.
     
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    Honestly, I have read the comments in this thread and seriously, you have ask yourself are these people for real???

    No matter how you sugar coat the issues this raised the and how much you want to believe there is two completely different forms of Islam there is not. While we can talk about how this and that is occurring and the beliefs of those on the ground the undelaying fact of the matter is that the laws were created and used to uphold religious beliefs (secular or not) of the predominant religious nature of the country.

    That is to say, no matter what some wish to portray and how they believe the Islamic faith is different in this matter they have created LAWS to impose Islam in the nation and in this case used it as a political tool.


    No matter the reason for the Laws, either to placate a religious minority or to impose predominate Islamic beliefs they were created to meet a necessity of intolerance of beliefs other than Islam. The fact is this entire issue no matter how it is spun fits within the Muslim beliefs and those who want to pretend tolerance are finding it harder to hide their bigotry as these things occur.
     
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    Hmmm,
    see I am a bit of a free thinker, not an atheist and certainly not belonging to any religious group. Would I be tolerated in your country?
    Why can't we question the existence of any God? Why can't we question the good and the bad which certainly occurs in any religion?
    We are human beings, and we need to evolve and progress....

    I can't give rats ass if someone watches porn or not, or If people of same sex live together. I don't mind these things, I tolerate them.
    They are an individual decision and shouldn't be censored by any state or religion.
    However I do mind when people are forced into the sex trade or minors are involved, that is disgusting and should be dealt with in any country.
    Cheers
     
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    A recourse to allegations of sexual misconduct always seems to be the clincher doesnt it, if the religious allegations don't hold. Like poor Dr Ibrahim in Malaysia.
     
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    What is the general feeling toward China in Indonesia ? Joko has a bit of a tightrope to walk. Do people see I'm as a strong leader?
     
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    Funny old situation with China after the US assisted communist purges.
    Many people see Chinese Indonesians as probably communists and are less than happy with the actual Chinese as they're all seen as commies even though most are capitalists.
    There is a massive rise in tourist numbers from China into Bali, and that means cash directly into the local economy, something that's always welcome.

    Jokowi is popular, but not especially strong. He's a hell of a PR man.
     
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    In this case the evidence is pretty strong and that looks pretty bad for him as he's supposed to be a religious leader.
    Porn is an odd subject here as it's available to anyone but ignored by the authorities unless something else is involved.
    It is illegal and, at least in this case, I'm perfectly happy to see it used against him.

    As a note, at least one other more extreme Muslim group has just been given notice they are to be made illegal and disbanded. Things are getting harder for the more radical.
     
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    No worries at all. No one will give a damn what you think except the odd more extreme nut job, some Muslim and some Chrtistian.

    Questioning the existence of God here is extremely rude and would not go down well.
    It would be about the same as pissing on the Stars and stripes in the US. You might well get problems.
    Questioning the extremist, or even openly condemning them is hardly a problem as they tend to be about as popular as dog turds amongst the general public but a few see them as Islamic heroes so wouldn't be happy.
    I hardly bother who I express my feelings to but there are some places you could find yourself in serious trouble such as the Jalan Talib area of Glodok where the more extreme preach.
    Walking in that area is perfectly safe, something I've done many times.

    Porn - up to them and nothing to do with me.
    Porn - Two have tried to get it onto my school's social media accounts - Very much something to do with me and they will be reported to the police if I find out who it is. The cops will do something about that and the courts are likely to take a very dim view, probably getting the criminals a long time, anything up to six years.

    Gay dudes having sex - What they do in private is up to them. Most of Indonesia simply ignores it but one semi independent province gets very messy about it. I disagree with their stance.
     
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    Uni students do that sort of stuff .. then they grow up.
    The laws here stop the extremists within Islam from insulting Christianity and/or demanding it be banned, something they would be after if they were allowed to say what they wanted.
    That's one of the charges the FPI leader is up on (if he ever returns to Indonesia) and scrapping it would mean he could get away with hate speech.
    I prefer the law as it is.
     
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    I took this in that area, the picture on the banner is the man who is facing defamation, porn and blasphemy charges as well as insulting a whole bunch of people including security guards.
    As you can see he has his supporters, but I am absolutely not on that list.

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    Another terrorist attack in the name of religion.
    I am sure all hearts go out to those affected by this gutless attack.

    Now we could point the finger of blame on the religion which at present is being used to create such radicalism which I am sure many will do in their anger over such cowardice, but the truth is the question is why should anybody be tolerant of such radicalism???

    What others believe have no effect on me unless forced upon me. What makes it worse is when people who do not share these opinions and beliefs force them down my throat and then demand I tolerate them just builds ignorance of the truth.

    In general Indonesians keep these personal beliefs, personal and I applaud them for such. But with so much radicalism within religious circles in all areas and with the laws reflecting Muslim beliefs to placate the more radical side of the nation, how long can they last in such secular peace??? It is fine to have such laws but when they are used for political expedience as in this manner the line gets thinner.
     

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