The 1950s are coming back

Progress is always three steps forward and two steps back, then three more steps forward and two more steps back. The trend is gradually up.

We've made great progress since the 1950's, but at great cost. We've thrown the baby out with the bath water. Even so, were generally better now than we were then.

 

Everyone else also gets to give their opinions, my friend, and you can goad and etc all you want, but we are never going back to the 1950s. The proposed theory of conservative cycles is not supported by the evidence.

 

The country was 90% white back then. That was the Real America.

 

JakeStarkey said: The OP characterization is not so: it was a great era for whites only.

No, America will not go back to the 1950s. Real America will never permit it.

JakeStarkey said: The OP characterization is not so: it was a great era for whites only.

No, America will not go back to the 1950s. Real America will never permit.

The actual figure was about 88% (and that was counting Hispanics as white), so it was probably about 84% white.

And now we have a much better country. Nope, we are not going back to white nationalism.

 

Many Hispanics are White. One of the most popular shows in the 50's starred a married couple with a Cuban husband and a WASP wife.

Whether or not it is a much better country is a subjective judgement. I don't think so. POCs don't thinks so either, judging from all the bitching and moaning they do.

 

Trumpers are certainly trying for that

 

None of which excuses the white nationalism of the 1950s or the Trump movement of today. We are not going back.

 

All true except the very wealthy never paid 90% or even 20% much like today. Tax dollars weren't pissed away on welfare and other entitlements because those things didn't exist. There was some public assistance but it wasn't enough to make a career out of it and idleness was frowned upon not celebrated. The price of things was about right, and the products were first class so there was no need to flood the market with cheap crap from China. Without cheap imports Walmart would have never existed and chains like Sears would have stuck around. In the fifties we'd had enough of war, we should have stayed out of Viet Nam it set the stage for all that was to come. How many undeclared wars have we been in since then, I've lost count. If you're going to war, declare it, get in it to win and make the losers pay to rebuild whatever was destroyed and either occupy the country or give it to the good guys and go home. What we had in the 1950s that we don't have now was love and respect for our country, Constitution and our flag. We believed in God and that morality was inviolable an absolute. Now God is dismissed and morality is whatever feels good and so whatever you want it to be. In the 1950s we were all one thing there was no conservative or liberal, you were either an American or a Communist, come to think of it that's pretty much where we are now. All of these nuts who are tilting toward Socialism don't realize it's a one way ticket because it is really just sugar coated Communism. Once the mask is off there's no way back. In the 1950s Joe McCarthy was right about everything then but the Communists were already in the government and made him look the fool. History is repeating itself now only the commies no longer try to hide it. Their problem now is we've had enough of their ****, five decades of liberalism and nothing to show for it, not a damn thing. Voting Democrat now is like putting sour milk back in the fridge the next time you take it out it's still no good.

 

Why is an excuse is necessary?

 

Yes, welfare did exist, God & Country.

All true Americans abhor white nationalism.

 

What an absolutely lovely utopia. Will we have vacuum tubes too? I love to see their little filaments glow. Oh boy, oh boy I can hardly wait until women are driven out of business, government, and the military. Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in bed! Those were the days.

It isn't just America that has moved past the 50's, the entire planet has and what you're predicting is an abandonment of ..... everything. Might I suggest moving to a small farm in Mitchell, South Dakota. You'll love the Corn Palace and things get pretty quiet up Huron way. Stay out of Sioux Falls with its world class medical center. You wouldn't like it, unless you get cancer.

 

There is some value in rewarding a functional marriage when children are involved. The details of the relationships aren't important (and couldn't be policed in any case), as long as there is cohabitation and co-parenting, and an absence of abuse/drugs/crime etc. I would also insist upon kids completing high school to a pass in all subjects as a minimum criteria .. without excess absenteeism and nil disciplinary actions.

It would be far better to use funds now allocated to voluntary sole parents (widows exempt), for the above. Obviously. Those who aren't concerned with staying alive will take risks like choosing flakey partners, and thus miss out - by choice.

 

Are you kidding? Progressives are dragging us all backwards at breakneck speed! They literally CAN'T WAIT to get back to that kind of conservatism. Where everyone toed the line, and you could expect your neighbours to think exactly like you. Where race was everything, and free thought and the exploration of ideas was taboo.

 

In the late 1940's and early 1950's all of Europe that was bombed and destroyed in WW2 had a giant rebuilding boom replacing all that had been destroyed.

 

Dor the right, everything is about Socialism.

 

And then you wake up from the ridiculous dream you just had.

 

And so you want to take them back to a time where they didn't have any rights and were being lynched? Pfftt.

 

I didn't believe it myself until I did the math, but everything actually costs the same or less now than it did in the 1950s or even earlier. If you consider the price of gold to be stable and the price of the dollar to fluctuate, the price of gold in 1950 ($35 an ounce) compared to the price of gold today ($1400+ an ounce) means the dollar is worth 1/40th today of what it was in 1950. (1400/35=40) So if the price of everything else had held stable relative to gold, a new car today would cost $80,000, jeans would cost $120, a new dress shirt $40, and a cup of coffee $2.00. You can pay these rates, but you don't have to, you can get a new car for under $40,000, jeans for $50, a new dress shirt for $25, and a senior can get a cup of coffee at McDonald's for free. And that $80,000 car would be bare bones, no power windows, no power steering, no a/c, no computerized dashboard, no fuel injection, AM radio, standard transmission. All the stuff you get in a car today has only served to keep the price of the car from dropping like a rock like the price of computers did. By the way, gasoline costs less than almost anything. Gas was 25¢ in 1950, which would translate today into $10 a gallon, so $3 a gallon is pretty darn cheap.

 

Most of the world's population has an IQ below 90 and would be essentially worthless to the high tech economic engine that is Japan. Most of them are worthless here and our economy is much more driven by lower tech businesses. Immigrants to Sweden have something like an 85% unemployment rate because they are worthless to business there.

 

A) There is no rise of a new fascist world order. Trump is not Hitler, Orban is not Mussolini, and Duda is not Franco. The situation now is somewhat reminiscent of the situation in the 1910s and 20s, when overwhelming numbers of immigrants from Italy, Ireland and other parts of Europe made Americans demand that the immigration gates be closed and the people already here be "assimilated", which is what led to mandatory free public schools for all children that taught the virtues of patriotism and capitalism.
B) The defeat of fascism in the 1930s only occurred because of America. If there had been no America, Germany would have triumphed in Europe and Japan would have triumphed in southeast Asia. If (as you're suggesting) America becomes part of a new fascist world order, there won't be any "after" because there is no new "America" that can defeat America.
C) Historical evidence suggests that homosexuals never get pushed back into the closet until the empire is destroyed and replaced by a much more patriarchal one.
D) The last time we had a segregation by ideology, we had a four year long bloody civil war, the death toll of which has still never been topped by any of our external wars. And the period of peace after the Civil War was marked by economic strain and hardship rather than a new period of prosperity and growth.
E) Despite the persistent predictions that president A is going to look like president B from many years prior, or that decade X is going to look like decade Y from many decades prior, this has literally never happened. We've had 45 presidents now and no two of them have ever resembled each other in all that time. We've had 23 decades now since 1789 and no two decades have ever resembled each other in all that time. I don't normally make predictions, but here's one you can take to the bank: the 2020s are not going to resemble any other decade in American history.

 

I forgot to post this in June, so here's the perfect opportunity:

 

Money amounts stay the same, only the NUMBERS change.

 

Do they still celebrate the 4th of july there? Or does Sturgis rally totally burn out?

 

So you’re cool with citizens relying on govt assistance. Seems this yearning to go back to the 1950s is causing some conservatives to go against the ‘self reliance’ less govt involvement philosophy. It’s like we’ve entered bizarro world. Up is down, first is last, good is bad, right is left.

 

Indeed. The right yearns for the good 'ole days when women knew their place and all minorities were subservient to white males.
You know, the natural order of things.