The 2020 Election wasn’t Stolen, it was Bought by Mark Zuckerberg

Nope. Quite the opposite.

You're not going to be able to manufacture a fight with me on the basis of falsifications of what I said.

 

AGREED!! I don't rebut known or obvious bullshit. I said that already. Find a reliable verification first.

 

good article on the many many examples of now suppressed evidence of massive voter fraud, there is always some by the demonrats.. but they really out did themselves completing the coup on Pres Trump. I'd contend that if not for voter fraud there would be very few demonrats and none of the Leftist who have taken over that party. https://patriots.win/p/13zzMTKTdX/voter-fraud--12-months-of-lost-d/

 

So what is our argument with me?
You said in response to my noting an aspect of how the 2020 election was run

I ask
With Mark Zuckerberg buying up all the polling places so he can staff them with his people? That's how you want it run, billionaires controlling it?

You then ask if that is what happened, I suggested you read the OP and then we can discuss what he did..............are you ready to do that?

 

LOL. I responded to a poster on your side of the aisle talking about trump. Why don't you talk to your own about bringing up trump? Maybe you won't be so agitated.

 

Why does it need refuting? Money in elections is welcome.
Now, I will refute needing all that bribe money, because it distorts what the bribed politicians will make or not make law.
But for now, money is legal.

If something illegal was done, then bring it out and prosecute them.

 

This isn't about campaign money and money for campaigning, this is buying control of the tabulation of ballots. Do you support that being allowed to happen?

 

I wish you would read what you respond to.
I don't like all that money in elections period. I've told you that before.

But it's legal at present.
Are you claiming something illegal was done? What is it?

 

Well let's discuss THIS money which is the issue of THIS thread. I don't know if it was "illegal" and does it have to already be illegal for not to be a good thing for our elections. I think we need an investigation into what exactly did happen and if laws and election processes were violated and to determine it states need to consider legislation so that control of tabulation and ballot access from untoward influence and control. At the least.

Would you have likeed Rush Limbaugh or Roger Ailes paying election officials to allow them to have their groups come in an pick the people to handle ballots and count the ballots and have control of the ballots and tabulations?

I wouldn't.

 

No, I don't like what is alleged to have taken place.
I prefer no private money involved in elections, for the umpteenth time.

 

Do you agree this should be investigated so we CAN find out exactly what happened and if any laws were violated and what if any laws or regulations should be implemented. The book seems very solidly sourced, the author not some conspiracy creator.

 

If there is evidence laws were broken. Who wouldn't. WTF????

 

Then let's get it start to first see if laws were violated do you agree yes or no? And if technically laws were not violated then figure out what laws need to be put in place to prevent in the future, do you agree yes or no?

 

What makes one think it hasn't been looked at?
What has to be prevented in the future?

 

Where has it been?
What we are discussing.

Being obtuse all you left with now?

 

Specifically, what has to be prevented in the future? What are you claiming could be illegal?

I want your specific concern.

From the OP article, both parties spend money in the fashion outlined.
It's just more was spent in Dem areas.
So, I don't see it as an illegal act.

So again, what is your specific concern?

 

The election wasn't stolen, Trump defeated himself. Not Biden or anything else. It was Trump's obnoxious, rude persona presented to America, his childish antics like name calling and throwing temper tantrums along with his 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactics that turned the voters against. Especially independents who weren't for him to begin with. Trump was a very easy man to dislike. History shows folks usually don't vote for someone they dislike.

2016 was very unique in the dislike of both major party candidates. 25% didn't want neither Trump nor Clinton to become their next president. This included 54% of independents.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...mericans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx

You had only 38% of all of America who actually wanted Hillary Clinton to win vs. 36% who wanted Trump. So there was quite a lot of voting for the candidate one wanted to lose the least, not win, but lose the least.

That dislike of Trump carried over into 2020. He lost to a very old, bland, uninspiring candidate who stayed hidden for most of the campaign. Smart political strategy on Biden's part. He let Trump hog the spotlight, he let Trump out there in front of the cameras reminding people why they disliked so much. Biden never gave them a chance to dislike him.

No the election wasn't stolen, Trump beat Trump himself. In the anti-vote as I call it, those who vote against a candidate, but not for any candidate, Biden won that group 68-30 over Trump. People voted against Trump, but not necessarily for Biden. They wanted Trump gone, anyone would have done. Bottom line, no stolen election.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

 

I have fully explained my objections to what Zuckerberg was engaged.

 

From the OP article, both parties spend money in the fashion outlined.
It's just more was spent in Dem areas.
So, I don't see it as an illegal act.

Are you just upset Zuckerberg spent his money? R's do so also.

 

The question here though is was it bought by Zuckerberg and will billionaires be able to do so in the future.

 

Election was stolen , stolen, stolen... suppressed evidence is trickling out every week. All true numbers indicate Trump won by a landslide. The after math of that election is exactly what you would expect when the democratic vote can e nullified.
The Deep State and th eGlobalist (same people) finally pulledd off their coup to remove a duly elected office holder of the highest office in the land... none of them wanted to give up the graft and grift endemic in DC, get in their pocket books and they will hate you with thepassion they hate President Trump. One thing he did do was expose the Deep State and the utterly corrupt in both parties (really more of a uniparty)

 

I don't think money played that important of a role. Trump was heavily outspent in both elections. 1.191 billion for Hillary Clinton vs. 646.8 million for Trump in 2016, an election Trump won. In 2020 it was Biden 1.624 billion to Trump's 1.088 billion. What the Democrats spent all of that money on, I haven't the faintest idea.

The difference between 2016 and 2020 was how independents voted. 46-42 for Trump in 2016 with 12% voting third party against both Trump and Clinton. Independents had a 57% negative view of Trump in 2016 vs. 70% negative for Clinton. Hence Trump winning the anti vote, those who vote against a candidate, but not for any candidate.

2018, independents viewed Trump 61% negative which explain why they voted for Democratic congressional candidates 54-42 over Republican congressional candidates.

2020, 60% of independents viewed Trump negatively vs. 46% who viewed Biden negatively. Independents went for Biden 54-41 over Trump with 5% voting third party against both major party candidates.

Trump over came independents negative view of him in 2016 because the Democrats ran someone else who was viewed even more negatively. But not in 2020, the democrats chose a candidate with a much lower negatives. The result was a 17 point swing among independents from a Trump plus 4 in 2016 to a minus 13 in 2020. That was a result of 4 years of Trump's obnoxious, rude, childish behavior grating on them. Not so much Trump's policies, but his childish antics like name calling and throwing temper tantrums along with his very unpresidential behavior. Enough was enough for independents. Not that they liked Biden all that much. He was an alternative, one who looked like a safe alternative unlike Hillary Clinton who looked and was perceived as worse.

The numbers tell it all, the whole story. Had Trump behaved more presidential, had a personality more like Reagan or even a Bill Clinton or an Obama, he probably would have won fairly easily. But he didn't. His negatives were way too high, he was a person who was easy to dislike as a person, an individual, a man which over rode any policy and politics. I'm really surprised that Republicans can't see that. It isn't policy that independents voted against, it was Trump and his persona, his unique style. Politics took a backseat to personality in 2020. Presidential elections have always been a beauty contest, a popularity contest among independents. 2020 was no different.

 

AGAIN
The OP is not about campaign spending, spending of ads, flyers, apperances to convince voters to vote for a candidate. This is about buying their way into control of the tabulation processes.

 

False proving you have NOT read the OP article it says nothing of the sort, this was a unique scheme by Zuckerberg

"Big CTCL and CEIR money had nothing to do with traditional campaign finance, lobbying, or other expenses that are related to increasingly expensive modern elections. It had to do with financing the infiltration of election offices at the city and county level by left-wing activists, and using those offices as a platform to implement preferred administrative practices, voting methods, and data-sharing agreements, as well as to launch intensive outreach campaigns in areas heavy with Democratic voters."

And if not illegal now should it be in the future? Not traditional campaign finance spending, you can start a thread on that if you want, THIS using money to infiltrate election offices to do as Zuckerberg did.

 

Presidential? Lying with a big friendly smile, talking in a way you only use when the camera is on? Naw.. if that's presidential then I like Pres Trump all of his down-to-earth manner of speaking