Discussion in '9/11' started by Bob0627, Feb 11, 2017.
you keep on spamming your so called facts that are essentially useless concerning the overall picture you are trying to present ...
let's start with "fact" number 1 ...
show me the evidence that Bush was willfully responsible for the destruction of 9/11 evidence ...
1. It's not spam.
2. They're not MY facts nor are they "so-called" facts, they are historical documented facts.
3. They are far from "useless" except to denying trolls such as yourself, they are wholly material to the topic of this thread, that the 9/11 Commission and their report is a gross scam.
To be accurate, I said:
At least quote it accurately.
I shouldn't have to show you, you should be fully aware yourself. The history is the evidence and it shows that the Bush administration did nothing to prevent the 9/11 evidence from being destroyed. As the highest authority in the US in charge at the time, they are fully responsible for its wholesale destruction by their failure to do anything to prevent it or even say one word about it. The Executive branch had full authority to order that the deliberate destruction be stopped as 9/11 was a federal crime.
I know you like to give the US government a pass on every single failure with regard to 9/11, but not everyone is like you, thankfully. Destruction of evidence in a massive crime such as 9/11 is far from a "useless" FACT as is the failure to prevent such destruction of evidence.
in other words ... you have no evidence ... thanks for playing bob ...
The historical facts are the evidence fake one and it’s not MY evidence it speaks for itself.
I don’t “play” that’s your game. Please stay out of this thread if you have nothing adult or intelligent to post.
oh the irony ...
That doesn’t qualify as adult or intelligent either. Do you have anything adult AND intelligent to post with respect to this thread topic? To remind you this topic is about the 9/11 Commission, their report and any related issue. Please remain on topic or you will be reported for trolling. If you can’t do that stay the **** out of my thread.
Anyway, back on topic (my sympathies Shiner)
Since there seems to be quite a bit of fear on the part of some trolls that the 29 FACTS I listed are being exposed on a regular basis (and they should be ... often) and some feeble attempts are being made to dispute one or two them, I feel it's appropriate to go over each and every one of them in more detail. This time one at a time.
#1 has already been gone over and stands as FACT via the historical record, there is no valid dispute. The 9/11 evidence was destroyed despite all attempts to stop the destruction and the Bush administration is fully responsible for its destruction for their failure to stop it. What hasn't been ascertained is exactly who ordered the destruction, what the Bush administration knew about the destruction, were they directly involved, did they even order it (perhaps not directly but via back channels) and much more. And this is just one small example proving there was no legitimate investigation into 9/11, otherwise that would have been part of the investigation.
So I'll move on to #2. Anyone care to dispute #2? (I'm not sure why anyone would want to other than trolls)
Here's the video evidence (at 3:30):
I'm not ready to move on to #2 yet ... can you offer anything as to who may have been attempting to stop the destruction of "evidence"? ...
Too late I guess, already moved on.
This article might help identify the culprits directly responsible and those who criticized it.
ok ... so you used a blog as evidence, which I'll accept ... so now, the City of New York workers are in on the scam under Giuliani's direction ... I thought is was the Bush admin? ... the plot thickens ...
It's not "evidence" and I never said it was, re-read what I posted for comprehension, or better yet, skip it and ASSume what you want. I don't care. Nothing you post about 9/11 is genuine, intelligent or adult.
That's YOUR invented conspiracy theory, I'm not interested in your red herrings.
Nothing alleviates the full responsibility of the Bush administration from failing to insure the 9/11 evidence was not destroyed.
I'm a very intelligent adult bob ... I was able to retire at the age of 50 but got bored so I work as an engineering consultant when I feel like taking on a project ... I am also a troller ... I have a mid sized cabin cruiser that we (kids, grandkids and my wonderful wife) take out at least evry other week and cruise the keys with lines in the water on the way to wherever we end up ... mahi, snapper, char, the occasionally wahoo (tastiest fish on the planet) ...
nope ... that's a troofer CT ...
what evidence bob? ... didn't another troofer gather some paint flakes and tried to spin them as thermite residue? ..
Yeah Donald Trump keeps making that claim too. Anyone who prolifically uses the childish term "troofer" (and many other things you post) to try to bolster their arguments has no claim to any reasonable level of maturity or intelligence. The rest of your post is the evidence. Please remain on topic, I don't give a rat's ass about you, your non-credible "engineering" background, your boat, your family or "troofers". You want to continue the discussion on the first of 29 points I posted about the 9/11 Commission and their report (and related issues), fine, anything else I'm not interested.
ah bullshit bob ... you're not interested in anything but troofer nonsense ... anyone that doesn't agree with your cockamamie theories "has bought and defends the OCT" or whatever other troofer terms you like to use ... yes, you're a troofer bob ... get used to it ...
I am adding one more fact about the 9/11 Commission and their report to this list (#17). I am also going to place it appropriately so some of these facts will be renumbered. This is by no means a complete list but it does contain many key facts that prove beyond any doubt that the 9/11 Commission did not legitimately investigate 9/11 in violation of their mandate and that the 9/11 Commission Report is a worthless document designed to be a major portion of the official 9/11 narrative and as a result designed to coverup 9/11.
1. The Bush administration is directly responsible for the wholesale destruction of 9/11 evidence, in violation of federal and local law, thus hampering/corrupting any investigation.
2. The Bush administration did not want to investigate 9/11, in fact they (or more specifically Cheney) asked Sen. Tom Daschle not to investigate 9/11 on several occasions.
3. The Bush administration reluctantly yielded to investigating 9/11 due to pressure from the 9/11 families, specifically the Jersey Girls but wanted the investigation to only focus on intelligence failures.
4. The Bush administration appointed Henry Kissinger as the chairman of the 9/11 Commission who was subsequently forced to resign due to conflicts of interest.
5. The Bush administration stocked the 9/11 Commission with cronies, especially Philip Zelikow.
6. All members of the 9/11 Commission had conflicts of interest and were covering for someone.
7. The 9/11 Commission cut a deal with the Bush administration essentially allowing them to dictate who on the 9/11 Commission could see what evidence and also limited the evidence the 9/11 Commission had access to.
8. According to the 9/11 Commission, there are 570 cubic feet of textual records, a large percentage of it classified, presumably inaccessible to the 9/11 Commission itself (see #7).
9. Sen. Max Cleland resigned as a result of #7, labeling the 9/11 investigation a scam and obstruction.
10. The 9/11 families or more specifically the Family Steering Committee sent over 400 questions to the 9/11 Commission and the vast majority of the questions were either unanswered or insufficiently answered.
11. Philip Zelikow created an outline of the 9/11 Commission Report prior to the first meeting of the 9/11 Commission.
12. Philip Zelikow admitted that most if not all of the 9/11 Commission Report relied on 3rd party relayed torture testimony.
13. The source of over 25% of the Commission Report's footnotes is 3rd party relayed torture testimony.
14. The 9/11 Commission were lied to by the CIA who told them they gave them everything they asked for but withheld torture tapes which they never revealed their existence to the 9/11 Commission.
15. The torture tapes were deliberately destroyed by the CIA despite a federal court order to preserve them.
16. The Senate Intelligence Committee on Torture report claims that the CIA's torture methods yielded NO USEFUL INTELLIGENCE (see #12 and #13).
17. Page 146 of the 9/11 Commission Report contains a full disclaimer of Chapters 5 and 7 (see #12, #13 and #16). This is effectively an admission by the 9/11 Commission Report that two key chapters of the 9/11 Commission Report are totally unreliable (and therefore deceptions meant to be promoted as fact).
18. The FBI lied to the 9/11 Commission (and Congress) when they told them they gave them everything. They were discovered a decade later to be holding over 80,000 pages of documents from their PENTBBOM "investigation" that they never revealed existed.
19. NORAD and other key Pentagon officials told the 9/11 Commission different stories that were in conflict with each other or outright lies.
20. The 9/11 Commission agreed to interview Bush and Cheney together unsworn and unrecorded.
21. There is no evidence that the 9/11 Commission conducted any criminal/scientific/forensic investigation in accordance with universally accepted standards appropriate for such an investigation. Especially within the vast scope required by a major historical event such as 9/11. Much of the contents of the 9/11 Commission Report is unvetted and/or unsupported by legitimate evidence (any evidence obtained via the use of torture is illegitimate/unreliable - see #16).
22. The 9/11 Commission claimed in their report that "their aim has not been to assign individual blame", thus making a mockery of the "investigation".
23. Eyewitnesses who were to testify to the 9/11 Commission were coached by Soviet style government "minders" prior to their testimonies, thus tampering with, biasing and corrupting the "investigation".
24. Many potential crucial eyewitnesses were never interviewed by the 9/11 Commission. Potential whistleblowers were not granted immunity and therefore many did not testify as a result.
25. Some key eyewitness testimonies were excluded from the 9/11 Commission Report.
26. The 9/11 Commission failed to investigate key events and issues, such as the destruction of WTC7 (unmentioned) and the financing of 9/11, deeming it of "little practical significance" (in direct contradiction to all criminal investigation standards).
27. The 9/11 Commission co-chairs admitted they were set up to fail, starved of funds, denied access to the truth, misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the FAA, did not examine key evidence, claimed the report was incomplete and flawed and that many questions remain unanswered.
28. Philip Zelikow had complete control over the final edit of the 9/11 Commission Report and was responsible for keeping the classified 28 pages from the 9/11 Commission. Zelikow fired an aide who wanted to bring the 28 pages to the attention of the 9/11 Commission.
29. The published version of the 9/11 Commission Report in general is similar to the official 9/11 conspiracy theory disseminated as fact by the Bush administration prior to the establishment of the 9/11 Commission.
30. The 9/11 Commission Report was severely criticized by many, especially the Jersey Girls, who were responsible for pressuring the Bush administration for an investigation. "we knew it was a farce, we wanted their words, their lies down on paper" - Patty Casazza.
Wednesday is the 18th anniversary of the worst terrorist attack on the US in modern history. 18 years later we still haven't been told the truth about what happened that day. We've been lied to by the US government and its puppet propaganda media. Because of a meticulous scientific study by Dr. Leroy J. Hulsey and his team, we now know what most of us have suspected for many years, that at least one of the towers (WTC7) was control demolished on 9/11. No other hypothesis has been published that nearly duplicates the global collapse of WTC7 on 9/11 than the one modeled by Dr. Hulsey where all the columns are removed simultaneously. And such an event obviously can only be achieved via a controlled demolition. A controlled demolition of WTC7 would have required weeks or months of planning and implementation, indicating a foreknowledge of the event of 9/11, for at least that period of time and much longer.
Who is Hulsey?
This claim is beyond ridiculous.
Reality/history is ridiculous to you? Go back to your fantasy world then, that's serious stuff.
Some schools are better than others.. I wouldn't put much faith in Hulsey. Some of these quacks just want to be the center of attention.
Some of these clowns can't get a job.. so this is what they do.
You have no clue who he is, you haven’t read one single word of any of his reports or watched any of his presentations, you don’t have any expertise never mind the least bit of standing and have not one idea what this is all about yet you insinuate one of the world’s leading forensic structural engineers is a “quack”. Who is really the quack here?
I’m so sorry you’re having difficulty finding employment Margot.
I'm retired.. but I did know Minoru Yamasaki and his work. I also know lots of serious structural engineers so I am not impressed with your half assed wannabees who never built anything. Anyone can run their mouth.
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