The 9/11 Commission Scam Exposed in all its Glory

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Some clowns can't get a job, so they go to work for the government propaganda services.
     
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  2. Bob0627

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    And you're doing a fine job of that. No one cares who you know or don't know, no one cares about whether you're impressed or not impressed, you are no one who matters and have posted nothing that means anything other than your personal opinion, which is equally meaningless. Science and facts are all that matter. Please post here any peer reviewed scientific study that either supports or refutes NIST's report AND any peer reviewed scientific study that either supports or refutes Dr. Hulsey's draft report for all to examine, especially Dr. Hulsey's team.
     
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    7 SEP 2019: Franklin Square & Munson Fire District Commissioner Christopher Gioia Speaks at Lawyers’ Committee 9/11 Event in NYC


     
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  4. Margot2

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    Has Dulsey don't anything with is career other than attack 9-11?

    1. NIST versus Dr Leroy Hulsey (9/11 mega-thread) : engineering
      https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/71yw...
      Dr. Hulsey claims the study is completely open and transparent, but I have yet to hear him respond to any possible critiques of his study, nor have I seen the progression of the study. Regardless, I believe there are far more fundamental problems with this study: Dr. Hulsey claims that a fire could not have

    2. New Study on WTC 7 Collapse Challenges Government Findings ...
      https://www.marketslant.com/.../new-study-wtc-7-collapse-challenges-government-findings
      Dr. Hulsey
      ’s presentation, “A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7, September 2017 Progress Report”, detailed how his team eliminated fire as the cause of the collapse of the 47-story building. Hulsey explained that NIST’s report on the collapse found fires on floors 7 through 9, 11 through 14, 19, 22, 29, and 30.
     
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    @ Bob0627

    Has Dulsey don't anything with is career other than attack 9-11?

    1. NIST versus Dr Leroy Hulsey (9/11 mega-thread) : engineering
      https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/71yw...
      Dr. Hulsey claims the study is completely open and transparent, but I have yet to hear him respond to any possible critiques of his study, nor have I seen the progression of the study. Regardless, I believe there are far more fundamental problems with this study: Dr. Hulsey claims that a fire could not have

    2. New Study on WTC 7 Collapse Challenges Government Findings ...
      https://www.marketslant.com/.../new-study-wtc-7-collapse-challenges-government-findings
      Dr. Hulsey
      ’s presentation, “A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7, September 2017 Progress Report”, detailed how his team eliminated fire as the cause of the collapse of the 47-story building. Hulsey explained that NIST’s report on the collapse found fires on floors 7 through 9, 11 through 14, 19, 22, 29, and 30.
     
  6. Bob0627

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    The name is Dr. Leroy J. Hulsey, not "Dulsey". Dr. Hulsey did NOT attack 9/11, whatever that means, that's as idiotic as it gets. I provided the link to his background and the videos that I posted also go into detail about his background. The video presentations by Dr. Hulsey and his papers speak for themselves. I have no interest in addressing excerpts from 2 meaningless out of context posts purportedly taken from discussion forums that say absolutely nothing. They are not even your own words as you have not one clue what this is all about, that's clearly obvious. If you have any interest in his 4-year scientific study and his draft report, you and anyone else have the opportunity to critique it directly by emailing a PDF or Word document, the email address is provided. It is up for peer review until November 1, 2019 after which the final report will be published. I strongly suggest you read his draft paper and review his video presentation BEFORE you address anything more about Dr. Hulsey and his 4-year study. I will not address anything more from you about this unless and until you show you are fully versed in what this is about and show you understand it. And preferably do it in the proper thread, this thread is about the 9/11 Commission and their report. You've already shown that you call incontrovertible video evidence and historical facts "beyond ridiculous", so I have to take that kind of mentality into consideration in any discussion with you.
     
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    Has be ever earned a living the past 19 years other than hawking his 9-11 BS conspiracy?
     
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    And some are so indoctrinated they volunteer their services for free.
     
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    Mick West interviews Donald Friedman.

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    [Audio only] Donald Friedman, P.E., F.ASCE, is a professional engineer with more than 30 years of experience in the investigation, analysis, and restoration of landmark buildings. He has taught engineering at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and Columbia University; he has spoken at numerous conferences including the fourth and fifth ASCE Forensics Conference; he is the author of After 9-11: An Engineer’s Work at the World Trade Center, based on his work at the World Trade Center site, starting September 12, 2001. We talked about his experience at the 9/11 WTC site, and how what he saw relates to the various conspiracies regarding the collapses of the World Trade Center Buildings. We specifically discuss the recent University of Alaska study that Professor Leroy Hulsey carried out for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. We close out with a discussion of how New York structural engineers view the 9/11 controlled demolition conspiracy theories

    TFTRH #21 Donald Friedman - After 9-11: An Engineer’s Work at the World Trade Center
     
  10. Bob0627

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    This is not the correct thread for this. This thread is about the 9/11 Commission and their report. But having said that:

    The desperation is all too obvious. There is so much wrong with this it's not worth going over all the detail.

    1. Science is NOT a conspiracy nor a conspiracy theory, yet anything that contradicts the official party line is described in the interview as a "conspiracy theory", the usual nonsensical demon of OCT lovers.

    2. Friedman describes pancaking multiple times yet no one, not even NIST claims the towers pancaked.

    3. Friedman claims he didn't see molten steel, decided it was really molten aluminum, saw structural members at the furthest distance of about 300 ft from the towers and did not know of explosions and many other things he claims. He was not the only eyewitness or even an eyewitness from what I understand. Other eyewitnesses reported seeing molten steel, not one reported seeing molten aluminum, there were structural members weighing up to 4 tons found as far as 600 ft and multiple corroborating claims of explosions.

    4. Friedman also claims he doesn't know any engineers who believe in anything but the official story. Like who cares, there are thousands who don't buy it and I'm sure he knows that.

    5. Friedman supports the Popular Mechanics garbage that has been thoroughly contradicted in intricate detail by other experts and even by NIST as to a couple issues.

    There's much more but I really am not inclined to waste my time with this nonsense collaboration by Mick West and Donald Friedman, not to mention Gamolon.

    I'll just add a couple of things.

    If Donald Friedman feels so strongly about his position, where is any peer reviewed paper that he published that supports his position?

    If Donald Friedman, Mick West or Gamolon or anyone else have an issue with Dr. Leroy Hulsey's draft paper on WTC7, by all means send it in PDF or MS Word form to the email address provided multiple times here.

    Interestingly, you never answered my question Gamolon, what are you afraid of?
     
  11. Margot2

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    You know the towers weren't knocked over.. they had the spine cut out of them. Gravity is predictable. I am surprised after all this time the opportunists are still at it.
     
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    Hey Margot. Someone who claims one of the leading forensic engineers in the US is “hawking a BS 9/11 conspiracy theory” after a 4 year meticulous scientific study is in no position to tell anyone what they believe they think. Please go peddle your nonsense to those who care what you think.
     
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    You do know that aluminum burns and the buildings had aluminum skins.. There hadn't been a hostage crash in years so the muscle may not have known it was a suicide mission.
     
  14. Gamolon

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    Which was paid for by a 9/11 truther group. There would be no reason for Hulsey to come up with a report that supports the claims of those who paid him eh Bobby?
     
  15. Gamolon

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    Hulsey is one of the "leading forensic engineers" in the US? Based on what exactly Bobby? Is this your opinion or do you have evidence for such accolades?

    I don't see anything about "forensic engineer" mentioned on his UAF site.
    http://cem.uaf.edu/cee/people/leroy-hulsey.aspx
     
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    Yes. And his research is what would be expected from any legitimate scientist. There is no comparison to NIST's "research" which was anything but science. But you know that yet never, ever questioned the NIST "investigation" or their report.
     
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    Who else would pay for it? The US government?

    Was the NIST "investigation" paid for by the US government?

    Yes there would, it's called professional integrity. Would there be a reason for NIST to fail to support the US government's official conspiracy theory?

    The hypocrisy is astounding if I didn't know where this is coming from.
     
  18. Gamolon

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    He is? Why is "forensic engineering" or "leading forensic engineer" not listed anywhere on his UAF bio that I linked above? What criteria are you using to make that claim? Is that an opinion or based on fact? What "forensic engineering" has he done that makes him one of the top in the US?
     
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    Professional integrity? Are you 100% sure that he didn't "tweak" his findings to make the group, which funded the study with about $365,000, happy? How can this be a an unbiased study when the donor is a 9/11 truther/conspiracy group?
     
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    Gravity is indeed predictable, and it is not capable of moving things horizontally, yet we are supposed to believe no explosive devices were involved.
     
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    .The towers fell into their own footprint. Atta was very successful. He tuned up every conspiracy nut on the planet, made Bush invade Iraq and made every one hate Muslims.
     
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    I don't work for the government.. Hulsey is a con artist no different than the late Ron Wyatt.
     
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    Nothing was moved/blown sideways/horizontal due to "explosive force from explosions". Give one example with a picture or video?
     
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    The buildings didn't fall OVER.. they fell down.
     
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    Correct,

    I believe Eleuthera, with her comment I quoted above, is claiming that there were heavy structural elements/structural assemblies that were ejected horizontal/sideways and that this could only occur if explosives were used. That's why I asked for pictures or video of what exactly is being talked about.
     
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