The 9/11 Propaganda Machine Keeps On Truckin'

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Real investigators are searching for the truth.

    Those advancing a preconceived conclusion, such as NIST and others, are false investigators, political sycophants.
     
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    Please list some of these "real investigators". No, people posting in forums on the Internet do not count.
     
  3. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why not? Must one be a government employee or sycophant to be a "real investigator" in your world?

    If the government had conducted an honest investigation from the beginning, instead of trying to hide the truth, there would be no citizen investigators.

    But it didn't, and so there are hundreds.
     
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    Why don't you list a sample of who you believe are "real investigators", specifically 9/11 investigators?
     
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    Good points Eleuthera. I think l4zarus has become a little too arrogant here. He's full of opinions, but he doesn't spend much time actually trying to back them up. I'd like to hear a detailed, civilized explanation as to why people online can't be "real investigators", and I and many others, including many whistleblowers, believe that the 9/11 Commission Report was a sham.
     
  6. l4zarus

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    No, but one does have to have expertise in the relevant fields. It's been 3 weeks since your post. I assume you have no credible investigators on the "truther" side to recommend.
     
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    Because Eleuthera made the statement "Real investigators are searching for the truth.", not me.
     
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    This is a misrepresentation. A cursory view of my posts will show an abundance of links backing up facts.

    People on line can conduct investigations for their personal satisfaction. But to rise to professional credibility(which seems to be what truthers want) requires professionals using professional standards. That is among the many reasons, Jones' Bentham paper is less than useless: the peer review was not professional or credible.
     
  9. Robert

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    This has to be called my opinion.
    A 757 is mostly aluminum. Counting fuel, the maximum takeoff weight is around 260,000 pounds. Subject to model of that airplane. Fuel weighs about 6 #gal for 11,276 X 6 =67,656 pounds from Boeing.

    Let's say the passengers were 100. We calculate passengers as 160 pounds per person. This gives us 16,000 pounds for humans.

    I am not certain on baggage but say each bag weighs on average 40 pounds; That I believe is high. Say you have then 2 bags per, or 80 #per X 100 = 8,000 pounds.

    Roughly we have about 168,344 in airplane. We know part is tires and some is steel, such as the landing gear. Let's deduct 8,344 for that and we have 160,000 pounds of aluminum. This is rough of course. So you have 80 tons of aluminum.

    Compared to the many tens of thousands of tons of the building, not much is airplane.

    But the metal that flowed from one of the two towers is aluminum. Aluminum melts at a far lower temperature than steel does.

     
  10. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    My computer has been broken down.

    There are many credible investigators on the truther side, more than I can count. That is because, IMO, the US government refused to conduct any sort of investigation for the better part of 2 years. Though they "never saw it coming" they said, by the end of the day they knew all the answers, exactly who did it and why.

    IMO, the best of the investigators has been Christopher Bollyn. But there are many equally good.
     
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    I have no problem understanding that some of the molten metal observed flowing from the corner of the building before it fell was aluminum, however small the amount was. Miniscule in the big picture.

    But the flowing metal described by several firemen as "looking like a foundry", and the metal that remained molten in the bowels for about 90 days was steel, which comprised at least 95% of any and all metals present in the standing buildings.
     
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    1. No eyewitness that I heard about claims to have seen molten aluminum.
    2. Many eyewitnesses claim to have seen molten steel and others molten metal. There are several video interviews and multiple quotes from other eyewitnesses.
    3. An eyewitness claims to have seen "melting of girders" at Ground Zero, which are of course made of steel, not aluminum.

    [video=youtube;syXpA6B85Ek]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syXpA6B85Ek[/video]

    "I saw melting of girders" - Abolhassan Astaneh, FEMA investigator
     
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    Christopher Bollyn is an anti-Semitic, Holocaust denier hack. But you know that. You've skimmed through threads I've participated so you know where I stand on Bollyn. Making your comment one of the more pathetic attempts at baiting. 3/10

    Now, try again. Or just skip to the part where you blame the Jews and save us both time.
     
  14. Eleuthera

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    Oh, you're just offended when the bitter truth is spoken. Try to get over it.

    Compared to 911, the attacks on the USS Liberty were child's play.
     

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