The spirit world is an alternative reality where everything is composed of some form of conscious energy, & no atomic material exists at all. Eyewitness NDE accounts agree on this, saying nothing composed of physical matter could survive there due to the extreme intensity of the energy levels. Atomic materials would simply be vaporized. This alone shows how totally inaccurate religious dogmas are describing Heaven or its equivalent. The reason the spirit world doesn't comply with the familiar laws of physics derived for our physical universe, is that the spiritual world doesn't have our space or time. Energy doesn't need space to exist, and space itself is wound up with time (according to Einstein) to form a compound he called space-time. Imagine an alternative dimension of being--another reality--where space-time was itself absent, but conscious energy is itself the only reality, & that conscious energy can form images & do things impossible to imagine here in the more limited space-time physical dimensions. It's really beyond imagination, yet NDE accounts all say it exists & is very real--most NDErs say it's more real than here.
Nonsense. Death is not death unless you are just going for the medical definition. That is just a fraud propagated by the charlatans that would like to pretend an NDE is the same as actually being dead. When you can provide evidence of anyone actually coming back from the real death let us know. Till then you are just playing games with what constitutes death.
Well if you value truth furnish us all with scientific evidence of anyone who has come back from say a week of no brain or heart activity. Till then you are just pretending that medical death is actual death. Just doesn't happen and you know it.
Orthodox scientific organizations have no conclusive jurisdiction over paranormal phenomena. Science can't handle some of the tantalizing issues that humans contemplate. Relevant investigation and assessment is not cut-and-dried like it is within strict science. If Einstein adhered to your all-or-nothing confinement, we would still be scratching our heads over Newtonian limitations.
There is no shortage of those who recall plebeian existences. The mind of a slug is not endowed with the kind of depth that facilitates sophisticated awareness, perceptibility, logic, language, memory, etc., presenting a substantial mismatch.
You are the scientific evidence - that you exist. At some point - some configuration of matter and energy with the nick "CourtJester" opened its eyes and was aware of its own existence. We need not understand how this happened - only that it did. Since this event happened - prior to this happening there was a finite probability that this event could happen. The only assumption I need to make is that time is infinite. If this is true - and the finite probability exists that matter and energy will come together in the exact same configuration - then - you will exist again. In an infinite amount of time all finite probabilities are realized - not just once but infinitely.
Why is it in these types of discussion there’s and almost universal asumption from those who think they’ll surivive this life into another that they will necessarily be the same person? Why should ego survive?
Hence the finding that each of us is multiples of individuals at the collective level of the higher self a la OOBErs Robert Monroe and Tom Campbell.
It appears that YOUR definition of death is permanent lifelessness & nothing more. If so, then your definition is limiting your exploration of any possible afterlife. That's fine if that's what you want. When you "argue for your limitations, then sure enough, they're yours."
The concept of awareness is truly the stuff of "beam me up Scotty" ! Look down at one of your fingers. Now - move that finger. Are you not impressed ?? You should be. How did you do this ? You "willed" it. You willed something to happen and it did. How did you learn how to do this ? You don't know - you just did it. You were born with this ability. Now for the riddle me this question. How does a thought manifest itself into physical reality ? I try this with the lotto numbers but unfortunately it has yet to work .. but, it works with your body. In other words you can manifest thoughts into reality to some degree internally but not externally. You can make your finger move but you can not make the wind blow or move an object through your thoughts. My conception of a God is a being who is able to use its will to make things happen "externally". The separation between making things happen internally as opposed to externally is not as big as one might think ... but I digress and that is a long convo. Back to what we know exists. So one day matter and energy assumed a configuration that was self aware. Great. This however does not explain how this entity learned to manifest thoughts into physical reality in the first place. While you can do this now - so you know that such a thing is possible- there was a time when the configuration of matter and energy did not have this ability. We have now solved one of the biggest puzzles of evolution. We had known for years that the building blocks of life - amino acids - are created by nature via a soup of chemicals and an electric spark. Evolution however requires self replication. What scientists then did is mimicked the processes of nature. They subjected these chemicals to environmental conditions - such as the continuous motion of a pond as it contracts and expands which causes repetitive wet and dry cycles and exposure to the sun. BINGO - RNA was formed - and self replication happened. There were also natural membranes that formed - the point of which is to selectively allow some molecules to pass while blocking others - a primitive cell wall.. Over time- and with mutation - these molecules achieve higher and higher orders of complexity - Good - Cool - but how is it that these complex molecules start to become self aware - and then how does this awareness manage to manifest itself into physical reality - control that structure in which this awareness develops. Without getting into some kind of chicken and egg God debate - "which came first - the Universe or God" - the more I ponder the above the more convinced I become that the reason these things happen is because this what the rules of the universe is directed towards. That the design of the universe is to create such entities. Notice this is different than saying "God designed the universe to do X" I am merely commenting on what we know as fact. Obviously the rules of the universe are designed to create YOU - because YOU are here Regardless of what that "Force" is "back to Star Wars". There is a force that directs matter/energy (both transform one into the other on a subatomic level so this is the reason for writing matter/energy) towards self awareness within a structure over which this awareness has some control. I contend that this is the beginning of a proof of the existence of God - not however in the YHWH sense as that would be drifting into demonstrable abject nonsense. This is more in the YODA sense Just as you are a structure - created of Matter/Energy with a whole lot of empty space in between - a whole lot more empty space than there is matter as it turns out. Such is the Universe. I realize that it does not follow directly that the Universe itself has knowledge of its own existence/ self awareness on this basis but, it would fit the pattern that we know exists to some degree. If this was the case - and this awareness within this structure (the universe) has some control over that structure - this would be a God. And we are all just little spawnlings of the Universal Godhead.
When the preference to come back is exercised upon given the option to come back or stay in the afterlife realm, it is done within a short time after death. Otherwise the physical deterioration is too severe.
You speak as if from experience rather than imagination. Unless you have died and come back you are spewing opinion as fact.
Sublimely right on key aspects, but we spawnlings might be deceiving ourselves if we think that the Big Kahuna himself is not out of reach. It appears that His essence in the form of extraordinarily sophisticated machinery is running the show by remote control. Design is everywhere, but space-time separates us from Him. The rest of the big picture is outside of this reality, waiting for us to grow up.
Just saying that's what is conveyed by those who investigate and catalogue such matters. Not saying that it's scientifically explained facts, although it's obvious that attempts to animate a corpse in the initial stages of stagnation would be quite disadvantageous.
Some NDErs are given a choice whether to return to Earth or not. Obviously, those who choose not, we never hear from again. But not all NDErs are given a choice.
Again...that sounds like fact from experience rather than opinion based on imagination. My own Mother had a NDE and became a completely different person afterward. She is now a Guru to many and the most spiritual person I have ever known. I believe her story and accept there is probably something else going on but, that does not make it anything more than subjective opinion with no means of tangible confirmation. It's fun to ponder but is NOT fact.
You make a good point I haven't seen mentioned on this forum discussion. Even I forgot to mention it. And, that is the impact a NDE has on the person who has one. It is massive. NDEs change people in undeniable but always very positive ways. Your mother is a good example, but she's not alone. The vast majority of NDEs result in changes similar to your Mom's. I see that impact as clear evidence that NDEs are totally real. How could a fake NDE, or a simple dream, have such remarkable & lasting results?
I think that perhaps the after life and "heaven" is located in another dimension. But after my son's death, I have to believe in the after life.
My take on that is that there is some personal God- YHWH or similar - and that God wanted to intervene in the affairs of humans - This would have happened -but it didn't. If God really wanted humans to follow some dictates - 10 commands and so on - this God could easily show up once in a while and at least write these dictates in the clouds or something
Since 1975, with the publication of "Life After Life," by Dr. Raymond Moody, there's been a growing stream of convincing evidence that consciousness survives after physical death. Near Death Experience books, past life regressions books, & the books by Dr. Michael Newton, offer details of the afterlife worlds. One can learn a great deal about what the afterlife is like, and how that world maintains a constant, ongoing relationship with our familiar physical universe & ourselves. Enjoy the journey!
But NDEs aren't drug related, & no drug gives the same experience or aftereffects of the LIFE REVIEW, which is life changing. There are no alternative explanations for NDEs except that they are real short-term death experiences.
