The aftermath of Trump's acquittal in his second impeachment trial

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The Republican Party has given a free pass to future Presidents for anything they might do in the closing days of their term of office. A former President incited an insurrection against our government during the closing days of his term of office. It doesn't get worse than that.

    The Republican Party acquitted the former President!


    ABC News reported, "Exactly a month and a week after insurrectionists incited a riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, former President Donald Trump's second impeachment trial came to a climactic end on Saturday afternoon, with Trump being acquitted for his alleged role of inciting the deadly event. A majority of senators voted to convict the former president, but failed to reach the super majority threshold needed for a conviction."

    To provide an example of the perfidy of the Republican Party one need only look at the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Despite the opinions of nearly all Constitution experts Constitution lawyers to the contrary, McConnell said "he voted "not guilty" because he believes Trump is "constitutionally not eligible for conviction" given that he is no longer president," according to NBC News.

    In addition, a Senate resolution established the Senate's jurisdiction in the impeachment trial. McConnell and most Republicans violated a Senate resolution. McConnell said nothing about the evidence. He couldn't. The evidence was overwhelming.

    The American people have already spoken, but the Republican Party is not paying attention. Under their leadership, the Republican Party has lost the House, Senate, and the White House in just the last four years.

    Now this. A Republican President committed an act of sedition, and the Republican Party freed him from consequences. With the precedence set, all future Presidents are free of responsibility for any action they might take in the closing days of their term.

    It is easy to surmise this might be opening act of the decline of American democracy.

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we lose our freedoms it will be because we have destroyed ourselves from within. Abraham Lincoln

    The American people will remember this day. The Republican Party lost with this feckless decision.
     
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    ABC News reported... don't they cover up for Clinton and prince Andrew?
     
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    The Republican Party wants it both ways.

    NBC News reports, "Moments after voting to acquit Donald Trump, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell gave a speech excoriating the former president for a "disgraceful dereliction of duty" and said he holds him responsible for "provoking" the Jan. 6 siege of the Capitol.

    "McConnell was among the 43 Republicans who voted that Trump was "not guilty" on the charge of incitement of insurrection."

    "There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. No question about it," the Kentucky Republican said Saturday. "The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president."

    "And having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet earth," he continued.

    It's too late. The damage has been done.

    How many times in the last four years have Republicans tried to un-ring a bell?
     
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    Yeah, well, don’t hold your breath. Seven Republicans vote against their party; how many dems did that? The Dems failed twice, in both cases presenting pitiful cases - I think the Dems should be the ones worrying.
     
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    even those that voted to acquit thought he was guilty

    Full speech: McConnell denounces Trump's conduct after voting to acquit at impeachment trial"

     
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    McConnell is looking at Trump dividing the GOP into 2 or 3 parties. Of course he is going to rail against the Donald now to try to hold the party together.
     
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    I agree. McConnell is a dedicated conservative trying to hold the Republican Party together. Trump is not and wants to divide the party.
     
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    Some are wondering why impeach a former President? What is the point?

    There is the disgrace of being the only President in American history to be convicted in an impeachment trial. It is a legacy said President will take to his grave.

    With a resolution that can be passed by a simple majority in the Senate, said President is barred forever running for office again. In this case, Trump's dream of running for President in 2024 goes away.

    There are probably an assortment of other ramifications of being impeached. We just don't know what they are. We've never had an impeached President. Trump would have been the first.

    Impeached or not, a President who led an insurrection attempt against his own government most likely would be tried in federal court for sedition. There is every likelihood that is in Trump's future.
     
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    I disagree wholeheartedly. Why? Because in both cases Trump's lawyers ignored the evidence and attacked the witnesses and opposing counsel while distorting reality with provocative statements, exaggeration, and providing surreal horrible comparisons.

    In other words, Trump's lawyers sounded like Trump.

    I rest my case.
     
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    There is no doubt in my mind that the DOJ is looking into this matter.
     
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    They did no such thing. They merely ceded to the boundaries the constitution had placed upon them. And more than 74 million people are quite happy that they did. And please anytime there isn't a damn thing preventing local and federal authorities Fromm arresting and trying Trump for his supposed crime any times they think they can prove the case in court...

    But please feel free to climb down off your hyperbole horse whenever you want.
     
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    Probably not, Trump would scream "double jeopardy" so loud it would deafen Putin.

    Besides, they have like 10 instances of obstruction that are slam dunks. Consecutive sentences would have him doing 40 years For god's sake he CAN'T live that long
     
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    There WAS NO evidence in either case; just blather, distortions and partisan poppycock.
     
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    Because he is guilty. Only his popularity with the base spared him from conviction.
     
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    His “base” didn’t get a vote. And seven of his “base” party voted against him, while the (dis)loyal opposition blindly followed the lead of the Wicked Witch of the West and her companion Chuckie.
     
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    Don't be obtuse. Fear of the kind of retribution we are seeing against those House and Senate Repubs who voted based on the evidence has already begun to play out by the purity police.
     
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    McConnell voted to acquit............and then argued that Trump was guilty as charged of “a disgraceful dereliction of duty.”
     
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    So, you got nothing but boisterous nonsense?
     
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    Please provide the clause in the Constitution that forbids the impeachment of a former President.
     
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    The Democrats have armed Republicans with a political weapon that will be used against them when numbers allow. I don't agree or think it is based on justice or what is best for the country, but you can bet it will be used.
     
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    Do I believe you, or do I believe the Republican House Minority Leader? “The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters. He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding,” Rep. Kevin McCarthy. House Minority Leader McCarthy blames Trump for riot but opposes impeachment

    Do I believe you, or do I believe the third ranking Republican in the House? "I think that the people in the party are mistaken. They believe that [Black Lives Matter] and Antifa were behind what happened here at the Capitol. That's just simply not the case, it's not true. People have been lied to. The extent to which President Trump, for months leading up to Jan. 6, spread the notion that the election had been stolen or that the election was rigged was a lie, and people need to understand that," Liz Cheney told Fox News Sunday. https://www.npr.org/2021/02/06/964933035/wyoming-gop-censures-liz-cheney-for-voting-to-impeach-trump

    Do I believe you, or do I believe the Republican Senate Minority Leader? “There is no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the event of that day," McConnell said. He called that assault a “foreseeable consequence” of Trump using the presidency, calling it “the largest megaphone on Planet Earth.” Rather than calling off the rioters, McConnell accused Trump of “praising the criminals” and seeming determined to overturn the election “or else torch our institutions on the way out.” GOP's McConnell: Trump Morally Responsible for Jan. 6 Attack

    Or are you going to label these dedicated conservatives a bunch of RINO's?

     
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    Did the Democrats do that or did Trump?
     
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    Nope, I’m going to tell you these people can blather all they want; doesn’t make a bit of difference. What matters is what Senator Patrick Leahy said: “Mr Trump is a acquitted of the charge”. Or words to that effect.
     
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    He probably said something else under his breath. ;)
     
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    CNN reports, "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced in a letter to House Democrats on Monday plans for the creation of a "9/11-type commission" to investigate the January 6 attack on the US Capitol.

    "To protect our security, our next step will be to establish an outside, independent 9/11-type Commission to 'investigate and report on the facts and causes relating to the January 6, 2021 domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex,'" Pelosi wrote.

    "A commission of this nature would be established by a statute, passed by both chambers and signed into law by the President. The commission members would not be elected leaders and would be outside the government.

    A factor that many are interested in is, did Trump have any communication with the Pentagon? There were warnings. Why were they ignored. Why was there a delay in the National Guard response?

    The Defense Department is facing scrutiny over its role in the events that took place on Jan. 6 after the D.C. government and Capitol Police accused Pentagon officials of slow-walking an emergency call for National Guard reinforcements as rioters threatened to breach the capitol.

    Why did a security breakdown take place, leaving the Capitol all but defenseless against a marauding group of pro-Trump rioters?
     

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