The Al Gore Effect

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Mr Gore is actively globe trotting promoting his newest cinematic self aggrandizing platform, and consuming more and more energy every day in his pursuit to proselytize for his pet carbon credit market. The truly inconvenient truth is the amount of energy mr Gore hogs. There is literally nothing green about Gore.

    A recent review of his Belle Meade mansion was that his consumption was roughly 21Xs the average household. This was even including the 60K solar array installed, and remediation to much of the estate. Think about that. Just the house alone costs more to keep lit than the average family uses in more than a 21 years.

    Is that not truly the very definition of greed? Is that not the very definition of hypocrite?

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/02/e...-more-electricity-than-average-u-s-household/
     
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    Gore Rule Invoked. Those who bring up Gore admit they can't talk about actual issues, and forfeit the thread.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Baseless allegations and lies. Gore gets all his electricity from renewable energy. What he doesn't get from his installed solar panels, he gets from the renewable option with his Utililty. You aren't half the man that Gore is. If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have Light Rail in many American cities.
     
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    Yeah and he flies around on a ****ing moonbeam.

    Not the California governor, for clarity.

    On second thought maybe that one too.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Obviously stated from one who sees no value in renewable energy. I have solar panels and a wind turbine, with Netmetering. I run a surplus of every month. My state and federal governments provided incentives to make this happen. It's a win for me. It's a win for America. And it's a win for the world.
     
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    Can you source these claims or are you just repeating what you hear others say?
     
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    Since I live off grid I know a bit about solar and there's no way gores solar panels even heat his pool in September let alone all his other over the top energy consumption.

    "Last September alone, Gore devoured 30,993 kWh of electricity. That’s enough to power 34 average American homes for a month. Over the last 12 months, Gore used more electricity just heating his outdoor swimming pool than six typical homes use in a year"
     
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    Issue is the hypocrisy of those in the warmer cult and gores a perfect example and it's no wonder you prefer he is not brought up.
     
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    No we all know that crazy guy Jim Hansen is Al gores science advisor..who is the AGW cult trying to BS?

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    I can't help but wonder if he will be profiting from such a carbon credit market.
    After all, that's how he made most of his money, exercising options on Apple stock.

    Al Gore profiting from climate change campaign

    This 'cap and trade' and 'carbon credits' are a complete scam meant to benefit special interest groups and financial traders. If you want to do something to limit emissions, just implement a flat and simple carbon tax.
     
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    From Gore himself, and he's the one that pays the bills. BTW, I invested in renewable energy, and I am now reaping the rewards!!!

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._i_do_walk_the_talk_there_is_still_hope.html#!

    "It's not unusual to see attacks on a messenger by people who don't like the message. I don't own a private plane. My house runs on 100% renewable energy. I do walk the walk," Gore said.
     
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    Probably because it was heavily subsidized by the state, and rate-payers were not given any other options.
    Would your investment have still done so well in a free and open marketplace where the government wasn't coercing everyone to buy a certain kind of product?
     
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    Yeah, no... not so much. Just copies of the utilities bill for his Belle Meade estate. The most awesome thing about this is the unwilliness of the faithful to recognize the fact they are being duped. By Al Gore no less.. Truly fun to watch. And since Al is like 450 lbs, being "half the man" is just being healthy I suspect. Perhaps Al is just going for the "what not to do" example.....

    As for "light rail". Do you mean those simple lines that don't actually serve the need that cost billions to build and then never demonstrate any significant usage because they don't actually go anywhere folks need them to go? The ones, like LA, where you have to drive to them, park, get on a train that goes somewhere insignificant, and they you have to Uber or Lyft to get to where you really need to get to because you can't walk?

    If we want a subway system in every city just say so, and get on with it already. Oh, and when you do, remember the cost, and the concentration of population that will be the result. Been to Seoul or frankly any other extraordinarily dense city before? And tell us, why then should be want this?
     
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    Nah. What it really means is that we have too many examples of the acolytes of AGW who simply don't live the life they would demand of the rest of us. Let's see. Gore told us that burning coal is bad, and yet most all of his NES supplied power he consumes at the rate of 21 other families a year is produced by Coal. He burns through the sky on his private jet, he travels in convoys of Suburbans everywhere he goes, how is he your poster boy then when he so publicly flaunts his over consumption?

    Do you really suppose if we were truly on the precipice that Al's behavior might be at least a little modified to demonstrate what should be done? If you actually said yes, then you truly don't know the self serving greedy attention whore that is Al.
     
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    Ah, the perfect quote. And the perfect lie. He expects that no one will actually fact check him. The inconvenient truth is that folks have, and, well, his comment isn't remotely true. liar liar pants on fire for this guy.
     
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    A former Vice President expects noboby to fact check him. Hah-hah-hah!!! You mentioned Utility bills. At my previous residence, I chose the option to purchase renewable wind energy, and paid a little extra. Oh, BTW, the Utility does bill you for this, so it does show up on Utility bills. Duh!!! This thread is so assinine. Just an unwarranted smear campaign, against a man who has done so much for this country. Have fun sitting in traffic today, and while you're there, remember that it could be about 2-3x as bad, if it wasn't for Al Gore.
     
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    So your willing to take his word for this without evidence? The numbers don't add up. To heat his pool alone in winter months would take all his solar panels and that's assuming it's a sunny day which in winter where he lives is not that often. Complete BS Mr gore
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    So, here's the deal. Gore buys from NES. Sure, you can pay more, but doesn't mean that you actually derive power from alternatives. The grid is the grid here, and you get coal. Newer natural gas in the near future, but that's it. A tiny fraction of nuclear. And ZERO alternatives. It still doesn't gloss over his usage which is 21X the average family here. And frankly that's saying a lot because folks here use a ton of energy keeping their dwellings and businesses cool.

    The most amazing thing is the thought that mr Gore and his disciples would think that this could go unnoticed. Gore doesn't "do" things for this country. Gore does them for himself. He is the personification of the South Park ManBearPig come to life.
     
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    Why blame him I went to a county Green event with lots of tree huggers many came in their own car and a good number not even hybrids and some larger vehicles and they weren't carrying things for demos, I brought this fact up they are part of the problem, unless your willing to car pool and even better use mass transit and electric only vehicles powered off the grid then they are part of the problem. I ride in my electric power chair taking the public bus and I was a hell of a lot more Greener than any of them. And I'm not intentional if I could safely drive and afford to drive a car I would own one with wheelchair carrying to get around but my finances won't allow it.
     
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    Notice the 'politicians' stating the dogma.

     
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    Climate scientists? Try this one.
     
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    A video by a failed cartoonist. Not surprised.
     
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    Some truth in your statement, but also very shortsighted. For example, here's the FAQ for New England's power company, People's Power and Light.

    https://www.ripower.org/renewable-energy/faq#5

    How do I know renewable electricity will be delivered to my home?
    You don’t. Whether or not you choose to support renewable electricity, you draw upon the "pool" of power that makes up the New England electric grid. While it is physically impossible to distinguish and deliver individual electrons to specific homes or businesses, by choosing green power (purchasing Renewable Energy Certificates to match your consumption), you are ensuring that renewable electricity is being delivered to the power grid on your behalf, thus creating a cleaner, healthier overall energy mix.

    So when Al Gore chooses this option, in his geographical area, he is paying to have his usage delivered on the grid, from renewables. Perhaps some of the responders on this thread can make "big boy" decisions like this.
     
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    Sigh.... This response is like saying....":hey, squirrel" and running away. Gore pays NES. NES doesn't actually have renewable sources. Regardless if you can pay for them, it still doesn't mean you get your power from them. This "slight of hand" is meaningless. Kind of like folks in CA who get their power from other states that use fossil fuels, and "forget" about it when they make their claims at greenness.

    The horrible truth is that mr Gore is selfish, his lifestyle is extreme, and folks like you are still willing to give him a pass because he lies and you believe it. It makes me feel icky just thinking about it.
     
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    Ignore the facts, if you choose to. Continue to spread blatant lies. You can always go to confession, right?.
     

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