The Apollo 11 Astronauts are Bad Liars

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    you keep trying and keep failing.

    The only thing proven by these videos is that garments and jackets do not move exactly the same way.

    they in no way prove anything you wish for them to prove such as a hoax in each case the movement was NORMAL.
     
  2. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    This ridiculous person has scatter bombed the internet with this same moronic claim. These videos have been posted many times on this forum alone. I addressed this ignorance on my blog a few years back:-

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/apollo-11-michael-collins-jacket.html

    When the jacket moves, the corner moves. When rippling occurs, the tendency of a fabric would be to unripple, since it is not it's natural state. When contact occurs from an object it will give momentum to the jacket, when the object swings away, it pulls the fabric back. The swinging object will cause gentle air currents which will have a minor effect. The movement of the jacket in and out will also produce small air currents.

    In addition to the swinging object, we have the lateral motion of his torso as each knee comes up alternately. We have the upward motion it induces, followed by immediate downforce as he pushes with his arms on the bulkhead above. We have even more lateral and vertical rotation in his shoulders as his knees come up and arms push down.

    The semi-rigid hose is what is causing the attachment to impact his lower jacket, as it pulls on it. It also flexes with his body motion and causes it to swing inwards and outwards.

    The jacket has clearly air buffered at the back, because of earlier movement in the cabin with it unfastened. Jackets do not puff up and billow like that in gravity - it is a clear sign of zero-g. Weight will pull the fabric downwards and much tighter against a body where gravity is in effect

    Every single thing involved in his movement has momentum that affects his jacket. I will leave you with just the two comments from my videos, made by the user youtube and forum spammer Cosmored.....

    "Collins' jacket corner bounces up and down the way it would in gravity"

    Then in reply to my video showing the puffed up back and shoulders of his jacket:....

    "In zero-G the jacket would be bouncing up and down on his back if it were loose"

    To anybody with rationale, logical thought, with even mild powers of discernment, I would say that fairly conclusively closes the door on that little piece of the "mountain of evidence".
     
  3. Scott

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    It's attached to the jacket way above the corner. The corner could be pulled up by that point but it couldn't be pushed down in a manner that would make it look exactly like it would look in gravity.

    I know you'll never admit anything and you can obfuscate endlessly so making you admit something is not my goal. I just want people to see your responses. There's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry simply becomes inefffective. The viewers can decide for themselves.
     
  4. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Your biased and quite frankly idiotic observations are noted. You have been flogging this rotting corpse of a dead horse for over 7 years now and nobody of any education related to space travel agrees with you. You may get a few brainless people to occasionally post agreement with this but sadly that just proves how pathetic the whole thing is.

    How massive a hypocrite are you! That phrase can be applied to every single exchange I have had with you. The elbow video was such a tiny sub issue, yet even that was not conceded.

    Obfuscate. It wouldn't be a thread without your tedious use of that word to describe where you are getting your ass kicked.

    These would be the invisible non responsive viewers who you claim support you. People can not only see your posts here, they can go and view them on hundreds of other forums where you get the same mauling. Always the same, never once do you cease your crusade to spam the web.

    Ahhh, your other buzzword. Sophistry. Translated it means carefully thought out and easily understood responses that you fail to address or simply don't understand. The clarity you claim to see is hot air and bluff. Your whole case revolves around a few seconds that you simply don't have the mental acuity to recognise.

    They did. You lost the debate seven years ago. All they see is disturbed obsession.



    Now, explain these two comments you made:-

    I will leave you with just the two comments from my videos, made by the user youtube and forum spammer Cosmored.....

    "Collins' jacket corner bounces up and down the way it would in gravity"

    Then in reply to my video showing the puffed up back and shoulders of his jacket:....

    "In zero-G the jacket would be bouncing up and down on his back if it were loose"

    Then answer this very simple question:-

    Quite clearly, there is extended footage of Buzz Aldrin in space on the Command Module. For many minutes he is doing zero-g activity. What idiotic reason would there be for NASA to film this totally meaningless clip of Collins jogging in space, supposedly on Earth, with all the totally unnecessary risks that would entail and for no tangible gain?

    Every picture, every piece of footage, every piece of dialogue, every rock, every science experiment, every single thing they do that is supposedly faked increases the risk of detection. Then they went and did all those missions and all that volume of evidence.
     
  5. Scott

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    I wasn't going to bother with this because this anomaly is so clear that it's impossible to obfuscate but you'll harp that I chickened out if I don't.

    You're comparing apples and oranges. The back of his jacket is being pulled both upward and downward but the corner that's hanging is only being pulled upward. There's no force making it go back down other than gravity.


    Maybe they were just sloppy. Who knows? Our not knowing the answer doesn't make the anomaly of the jacket corner go away.
     
  6. Betamax101

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    You said it would be bouncing up and down. What makes it bounce down?

    Bullcrap! The seam of the edges of the jacket are stiffer than the rest of the fabric.

    Your ignorance on this matter is irretrievable. After 8 years(not 7 as I stated) you would be embarrassed if you were suddenly clever enough to see how dumb your claim was. The jacket is on his body, his body is going down, it is a simple change of direction dragging his jacket down and the stiffened edges holding their natural shape.

    There is no anomaly and you avoided the premise of the question. They were already in space and provably so, with the ridiculous idea that they would create extra unnecessary footage on Earth to add on. Footage that includes floaty sleeves and tubes, puffed up jacket, rising Collins and most notably, his ID tags floating in front of him!



    You are a troll who doesn't know when to quit. Eight years plus and counting without altering your position one iota, that is just frightening stupidity and obsession.

    Eight years and these people had your IQ tapped on almost every page:-

    http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?9002-We-Never-Went-to-the-Moon/page13

    Funny and sad at the same time. Get a life.
     
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  7. Scott

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    You're being deliberately obtuse. When the astronaut goes back down, his body pulls the back of his jacket and it goes with him. When the astronaut goes up, he pushes the back of his jacket upward so it goes up and down.

    The place where the hose attaches will only pull the bottom of the jacket upward. We can see from the way the fabric bends that it's not rigid enough for the upper part of his jacket to push it back down. It's falling down because they're in gravity.

    My goal here is not to make you admit anything. You have to maintain your position hell-or-high-water so what I do is post clear anomalies so that you'll have to say some pretty lame things to maintain your position. You can't confuse the viewers on this one with an authoritative patronizing attitude. This anomaly is too clear.
     
  8. Betamax101

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    Good. Now we have the reason things occur in weightless space or on earth. The jacket is connected to his body.

    Bullcrap. The hose has no effect on the direction the jacket is pulled. The jacket is pulled up by his body going up and pulled down by his body going down.

    The upper part of the jacket isn't pushing it down, it is being dragged in a general downwards direction because it is connected to the jacket which is on his body. It is so painfully obvious.

    Utter rubbish. His jacket is puffed up, Armstrong's sleeves are clearly not on his wrists, Collins rises up. they are weightless. It makes moronic sense not to film any of this in space.

    You are an obsessive spammer who has no credibility, logic, relevant education or accuracy. There is no anomaly. Your phrases and language are just repetition and cut and paste.
     
  9. Scott

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    This is true. I should have been clearer. We were talking about that point of the jacket. I meant that that point of the jacket is being pulled up by the body and it therefore pulls up the corner of the jacket. But what's really happening is that his body is pulling up both parts of the jacket.

    The bouncing jacket corner proves they were in strong gravity by itself. We could talk about the other points such as the dog tags but they all show gravity too. What's the point though? This anomaly is too clear for you to obfuscate and you've already destroyed your credibility on another thread.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-strawman-claim.443515/page-3#post-1067229992

    You're all washed up.
     
  10. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

    It proves you are clueless. The puffed up jacket proves they were weightless all by itself. You have no answer to it. You are like the cornered Black Knight who is too stupid to even find the door to the debating hall.

    Your dishonest nature knows no bounds.



    Looking at the dog tags again. Cosmored the spammer believes they are going up and down, so I have highlighted them and performed a frame extract.

    I'm kicking your ass. You're just a troll with OCD.
     
  11. Scott

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    This analyst seems to know what he's doing.

    McCann's Embedded Confessions - PART 1 OF 3



    He does the Apollo astronauts' interviews too.

    Analysing The Astronauts - PART 1 OF 3


    Analysing The Astronauts - PART 2 OF 3


    Analysing The Astronauts - PART 3 OF 3
     
  12. Soupnazi

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    He presents no evidence of any lies.

    Just as every claim you have ever made has been massively and hilariously debunked and crushed.
     
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    Amazing.

    You can bounce a laser off the spacecraft on the moon, which is exactly where it’s supposed to be, and yet crackpots still question ... amazing.
     
  14. Scott

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    One reason is that this wakes people up. There are a lot of people who aren't objective about current issues such as whether 9/11 was an inside job* or America's being the bad guy in the world**.

    If these people see the proof that the Apollo missions were faked, they'll be more objective about the other important issues. The fewer sheeple*** there are, the better it will be for the world.


    *
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060

    **
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/

    ***
    https://www.google.es/search?q=shee...yaHdAhVDhRoKHVgeDhIQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1024&bih=677
     
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    There are a tiny minority of people who will ever believe that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job. There are even fewer people who will ever believe that the moon landings were fake.

    You're not going to persuade them.

    Even if you did manage to persuade some tiny number of people, there won't be any noticeable change made in the world.

    I think that you would do better to apply your efforts to areas which might be more productive.
     
  18. Scott

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    Whether that's true or not all it takes is one person. What was true is that there were a tiny minority of people who believed the Earth was round back in the day.

    Given the second sentence above, that's obviously untrue (assuming it is one day proven that 9/11 was indeed an "inside job" all because it started that 1 person believed it was). In other words if no one believed 9/11 was an inside job, you would have a point but the converse is not true.
     
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    Scott, the fact remains that no man-made object has ever left earth.
    It was pointed out way back in the 1700 and 1800's that it's impossible
    for a rocket to reach orbit. Simple maths tells you that - you need fuel
    to do this, and fuel to lift the fuel etc..
    A bit like the famous math proving that cities can't get too big because
    you need horses to feed horses. That kind of thing.

    So, there was no Apollo because there was no Sputnik. Luna conspiracy
    guys have been sucked in by this nonsense.

    nb it has been said the real issue in the "race to the moon" was the rocket
    capable of lifting 100 ton to orbit. Everyone saw the Saturn 5 lifting off. I
    think we need to better explain where that rocket went.

    Cheers, and keep up the good work.
     
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    Trump has shown that it is hard to keep the mouths of a handful of people shut much less thousands of people, in multiple countries and for what? To show off to the Soviets? Will everyone involved in the original moon launch dying off and the fact that the Soviet Union no longer exists, why still keep the conspiracy secret? You would think someone would have said something by now. Plus, why would they continue to spend the money on covering up something that doesn't even matter anymore.
     
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    A.c.t.u.a.l.l.y it's been proven that many of the people who worked on that
    so-called moon project are now dead. Even Neil Armstrong himself. Why?
    Well, if you have a secret project involving half a million people then for
    sure some are going to leak documents sooner or later. So these people
    were all m.u.r.d.e.r.e.d.
    It's like the Curse of Tutankhamen. Eventually ALL those involved in opening
    that tomb DIED.
    This proves that the Apollo moon landings were faked. In fact, I have disclosed,
    just now, right on this forum, that the Apollo V rocket, the most important element
    in the Apollo project, was itself just a plywood model. I fear now for my life.
    Have a nice day.:deadhorse:
     
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    I had been to a numbers of the launch of the plywood Apollo V rocket that from a few miles away would shake the ground and the night launch would light up the surrounding to the point you could read small print.

    Amazing what they could do with plywood is it not?
     
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    Hmmm,,, 1922, yeah their probably all dead.
     
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    Sometimes I really hate Poe's Law because it is true!

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