The AR-15 follies: Here we go again!

Okay, so we all know that Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa went postal in Boulder, CO grocery store this pas Monday. He killed a bunch of people before getting shot by the cops and surrendering. So far, the cops are saying it doesn't look like a American got "radicalized" by Islamic extremism. Instead, according to family and friends, the guy seems to be 1 brick shy of a load. The kicker is just 4 days before junior went off the very ban on the weapon he used was over turned by the district courts.

Now on one end you have the gun control folk and Democratic majority banging the table saying, "See! Get these damned things (assault weapons, i.e. the AR-15 type rifles) out of general population circulation! Ban them! "

On the other end you have the 2nd Amendment folk and Republican majority banging the table saying, "See! Muslim extremists/terrorists are here! It's not the guns, it's them!"

My take is this: If junior had no criminal record or official record of psychological problems, a 7 day waiting period for a background check wouldn't have made a difference. He would have every legal right under Colorado law to buy that weapon. You can only go far in trying to legislate against crazy.

BUT

Once again, the weapon of choice for mass shooters is the AR-15....a sweet little versatile weapon that does EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR....ASSAULTING AND KILLING PEOPLE WITH ACCURACY (as much as the user can apply). Now people will debate until doomsday as to whether the same amount of damage could have been done with other types of rifles or a handgun (or handguns).

BUT

We will NEVER know if the AR-15 is available to ANYONE, ANY TIME, ANY WHERE.

And the band played on.

 

I love people who haven't a clue about firearms telling me what a firearm was designed for. You don't even understand what the term "Assault" means when it was originally applied to FULLY AUTOMATIC rifles./

 

So much hate aimed at Muslims.

 

Do you know what Mini-14 is? I would guess not. Please leave the gun talk to those educated on the topic.

An AR-15 is not designed to kill people. It is a tool that can be used for that, but it's not a good choice. It's an amazing perfect sporting rifle that any good shooter should possess.

 

Let not your heart be troubled since they are not available anytime anywhere and to anyone so the premise of the thread is false

 

GMAFB with this tired, lame ass attempt by all you armchair weapons "experts" who keep trying to rewrite definitions created by the people who created the definitions in the first place. I would love for you to show me in no uncertain terms from the manufacturer of the AR-15 or the military where it states that ONLY full auto weapons are considered assault weapons. I don't want your personal clap trap or some gunner magazine's....either it's from the creator, the manufacturer or the military.

And WTF does any of that have to do with the FACT that the AR-15, created specifically for military use, has been the weapon of choice for the mass majority of mass killings in America? They chose it because it's the best fit for non-professionals seeking accuracy for exactly what they did...as the weapon was designed to do. Deal with it.

 

Do the surviving family members give a flying f*** about your revisionist drivel. Nope. Here's how I schooled one of your like minded compadres.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lies-here-we-go-again.586320/#post-1072527280

 

please prove two things that anyone anywhere anytime can obtain an AR-15 and that they're used in the majority of mass shootings in America you can't prove either one of those things because neither one is correct

 

Get educated, man.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aarons...ertain-future-if-trump-loses/?sh=135ad3643882

https://priceonomics.com/where-do-all-the-assault-rifles-come-from/

Not much on rational, logical, mature responses, are ya?

 

Get educated, man.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aarons...ertain-future-if-trump-loses/?sh=135ad3643882

https://priceonomics.com/where-do-all-the-assault-rifles-come-from/

https://www.newsweek.com/ar-15-rifles-were-used-26-percent-last-80-mass-shootings-america-1578107

 

I am educated did you even read your own sources 26% is not the mass majority of mass murders

 

If 'AR-15's are ever banned, expect this precise sort of rhetoric, but naming 'assault pistols' instead. Then revolvers... and so on.

Feel free to prove me wrong, OP- can you describe a firearm you think The People DO have a right to defend themselves with? Are there any firearms that aren't 'assault firearms' and you will therefore oppose banning?

 

Who the hell cares about the gun used in a mass shooting? The most people that were killed was 117 in 2017, and that's the equivalent of a bad month and half in Chicago last year. African Americans using handguns has been the sole factor increasing gun-related homicides, most notably child gun-related homicides being 100% more than last year. We're probably not even gonna have to extrapolate the numbers to figure out that African Americans were 55% of all gun-related murders last year. Out of the total gun deaths, you'd have to be a fool to think AR-15s are the most pressing issue facing this country at the moment. You need to get these black communities back to normal, and you need to fix the damage you caused from instigated those riots and lockdowns. There's another thread where a black dude is taking assault weapons into a publix. There's clearly a mental health issue that's affecting the entire community, and this is only going to get worse until Democrats finally decide they need to deal with it.

 

Why the left of course. It helps them make emotional arguments. After all, gun laws are only for law abiding gun owners who don't murder people. If they want to stop mass murder they need to stop mass murderers and that isn't easy. Banning guns is as easy as apple pie. It makes them feel like they are doing something to reduce or stop mass murderers. Thinking people understand that.

 

We actually do know as we already had an assault weapons ban in the 90s. And the homicide rate then was higher than today. We also know that you are 3 times more likely to die in fist fight then by an ar15

 

A large part of that is caused by a system that rewards females for having fatherless children.

Raising fatherless males is the equivlent of building a nuclear reactor without control rods.

 

I will add to this that usually the ones calling for these guns to be banned for the specific reason that these weapons are only designed to murder people, are ok with the cops, whom they protest for murdering people, to be excluded from a ban on them; thereby giving the State a monopoly on the modern day musket.

 

https://priceonomics.com/where-do-all-the-assault-rifles-come-from/

That's a good idea, for if you understood firearms you would have realized your link to where do all the Assault Rifles come from contains a many blatant errors, mainly all of the firearms listed as being Assault Rifles are not Assault Rifles and two of them are not even rifles, they are pistols.

Time to hit the books and get back to us when you have a better understanding of the subject at hand.

 

Half of these clowns actually admired the Chinese government just a few months ago. I'll take my chances with an armed citizenry. That's the only tried and tested way to prevent a real mass murder from taking place.

 

All of his links have been debunked. His news article about the assault rifle ban doesn't even link to the study they reference cause when you actually open it up, you realize that author new the information was cherry-picked and manipulated. If you actually pull up the graph from some of the studies, there's only 2.5 difference in casualty per year for the preceding time period. Go back a little further to cherry pick some of your own data, and then there's no difference.

 

Every report that I can find states that the weapon was a pistol not a rifle. While they described it as an "AR-15 like pistol" it was still a pistol. Secondly, you do realize that the AR in AR-15 does not stand for Assault Rifle, correct?

 

So would you rather he had used something else? Maybe a pistol?

 

However there is one important fact you forgot to mention and that is the AR-15 is an excellent defense firearm, it is light weight, it has a very low recoil allowing law abiding people of all ages and physical condition to safely operate one, plus it has enough firepower to assure a good guy he/she will be able to quickly stop a dangerous criminal.

Now do you really want to deprive law abiding people the ability to protect themselves, or would you prefer they be disarmed so they can become victims and be injured or killed by the criminals that live in the communities amongst us?

If your goal is to produce victims then there is nothing to discuss, case closed.

 

It was a pistol (per BATF) chambered for 5.56.