The Attempt to Establish a Climate Ministry of Truth

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I don't hear anybody suggesting that the "central figures" in the early IPCC were objecting about anything. Those who objected appear to me to be the scientists from around the world involved in climate related fields.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you accept that man controls climate?

    Can you name a country proving man controls climate?

    Democrats are asking us to control climate. I see no way we can control climate.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All of the alarmists hear me.
    You believe in human managed climate.
    Prove it. Give me an example of human managed climate.
     
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    You're just in the weeds here. NOBODY thinks man can control climate.

    Nobody.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How can you claim the planet is warming when the Deserts are not warming?

    Do not snow us. I hear talk of melting glaciers. I see no crystal temperature numbers proving that is why.

    I was reading a report on Verkhoyansk the coldest place in the Arctic. And a year ago they did have a high of 100.4F yet trying to get monthly temps for other years is difficult to say the least.
    It also has what is known as a temperature inversion problem.
    As remote as that tiny town is, it is difficult to blame man for the higher temperature on a day in 2020.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkh...emperature for,temperature range in the world.
     
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    Thank you for confirming my contention.

    But that means you don't think so.
    Trust me we have humans alarming us all who think man can control climate.
     
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    Your post reflects no engagement with the issues I thought we were discussing. You're wasting my time.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    And again your post reflects no engagement with the issues under discussion. You are wasting my time.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is an excellent video telling the whole story.
    The ecowhack jobs tell a tiny part of the story. This report goes into all of the problems
     
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    Maybe not in the long run. But the run can be very long, as neoclassical economics proves at 130 years and counting.
    I already explained why it does.
    The ones YOU talked about: "NASA, NOAA, our universities, and the similar organizations." Remember?
    Scientific organizations that presume to speak for their members on the role of CO2 in climate with neither a mandate to do so nor any credible effort to determine what their members actually believe on the subject.
     
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    Lyin' Michael Mann, for one.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yup.
    A Disgrace to the Profession by Mark Steyn - Goodreads
    https://www.goodreads.com › book › show


    A Disgrace To The Profession. The World's Scientists in Their Own Words On Michael E. Mann, His Hockey Stick And Their Damage To Science.

    The "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures is the single most influential icon in the global-warming debate, promoted by the UN's transnational climate bureaucracy, featured in Al Gore's Oscar-winning movie, used by governments around the world to sell the Kyoto Accord to their citizens, and shown to impressionable schoolchildren from kindergarten to graduation.

    And yet what it purports to "prove" is disputed and denied by many of the world's most eminent scientists. In this riveting book, Mark Steyn has compiled the thoughts of the world's scientists, in their own words, on hockey-stick creator Michael E Mann, his stick and their damage to science. From Canada to Finland, Scotland to China, Belgium to New Zealand, from venerable Nobel Laureates to energetic young researchers on all sides of the debate analyze the hockey stock and the wider climate wars it helped launch.
     
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    I have the book, oh my many scientists do NOT like this fella who is a two time loser in lawsuits he started and going to lose the third one eventually.
     
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    Climate scientists have NEVER suggested that the whole planet is moving in lock step.

    The average temperature of earth is increasing.

    Scientists show that the excess heat is NOT distributed evenly across the planet.

    In fact, some places are cooling, due to the changes that are taking place.
     
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    No, I don't think so - at least I hope not.

    Earth IS warming. Scientists DO identify human activities as the primary cause of that warming.

    But, anyone who thinks humans can control climate are not backed by science.
     
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    You claim that there is a conspiracy of climate scientists the world over.

    I'm pointing out that is not the case, including pointing out that your cited example helps MY case, not yours.
     
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    You can't point to one guy and claim there is a conspiracy.

    And, claiming there is broad based opposition to your one guy certainly doesn't support your conspiracy theory.
     
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    You are so confused, only YOU is talking about Conspiracy while the others are talking about politically based Consensus.

    If you can set aside this Conspiracy idea you will suddenly understand what the other people are talking about.
     
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    Well, first of all economics is a soft science at best. Beyond that, you have to explain how neoclassical economics was a conspiracy rather than an honest attempt at understanding economics.
    Are you suggesting that NASA has no right to make a statement about the science it takes part in?

    Really???
     
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    Hays cited a strong example of what happens when the IPCC projects results that scientists believe do not match their results.

    You should read it! it's about the IPCC - not some hypothetical BS about economic theory or whatever.
     
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    If man can warm Earth, and you think he can chill it off, then he controls climate.

    Easy peasy
     
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    NASA is in the space business. I do not believe they are experts in the climate business.

    Reason for my belief is the nonsense they peddle.

    Did you watch the video handed to you by Jack Hays? If not, check into it.
     
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    Watch the video supplied to you by Jack Hays. It will not hurt you. It deals with the whole of Climate, not merely temperature.
     
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    Sorry, but I'm the one denying there is any conspiracy. You can't just make stuff up. I cited Market Garden precisely because there was no conspiracy.
     

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