The Basics, Abortion is a Homicide, Face that Fact

There are no persons inside a woman's UTERUS. Ever.

 

Yes, an acorn is the same as an Oak Tree because it contains the same biological material that brings about an Oak Tree. If the acorn was different, it would not produce an Oak Tree, this is simple mathematical and biological reality.
Would you plant some of the seedlings from a Pine Cone and expect an Elm Tree or an Aspen Tree?

 

Sorry, this



is not the same as this:



You're confusing the potential of one thing to become the other, with them actually being the same thing. They are not, as is readily apparent to any objective observer.

Nope. But I wouldn't call an acorn and oak tree, or an oak tree an acorn, either.

 

Most people consider murder wrong. Why? I wager that shared feeling has nothing to do with the victim's brain activity, level of pain felt, or whether or not some law didn't recognize him or her as person.

 

Well isn't a baby valuable because it has the potential to turn into a more developed child?
I mean, babies can't walk or talk or reason very well. If there was some baby with a rare genetic defect that wouldn't allow it to ever mentally or physically progress, would that baby have the same value as a regular baby?

 

This madness you speak of is simply a recognition of the root cause of the feeling by most humans that murder is wrong: that it undeniably robs the victim of all future experiences of life. It is why people universally abhor murder more if the victim is young. Because the young have more experiences stolen. The feeling has nothing to do with legal status, pain suffered during death, or whether or not the person was conscious upon death. This root cause of why murder is considered wrong is recognized by many, who also recognize that abortion also robs the victim of all FUTURE experiences, regardless of past life experience.

 

What exactly are the potential "future life experiences" for UNWANTED children?

Are they really going to appreciate growing up unwanted and unloved?

Are they really going to appreciate a life of poverty, depression, drug addiction and crime?

Why would you want to FORCE anyone to have such a miserable life experience?

What justifies you IMPOSING that life experience on anyone else?

What are you PERSONALLY willing to give up in order to ensure that an additional million unwanted children each and every year don't have those miserable "future life experiences"

 

No, it's valuable because it's a person.

Yes.

 

So then a toddler is not the same as a mature adult by your depicted analogy so therefore expendable.

 

There is plenty of testimony from those that have had "unwanted childhoods" with trials that many have never experienced that have overcome them and become strong healthy human beings. So do you retroactively want to devalue them for what they have overcome?

 

BZZZT Wrong again!

A toddler has been NATURALLY BORN!

 

Anecdotes are not factual data!

 

And forcing women to gestate (giving a fetus MORE rights than women) may rob the "victim" (pregnant woman) of all future experiences

 

You still don't know the difference between "BORN" and "UNBORN" ! Amazing.....see, again, a baby is born so it has rights, a fetus is NOT born so it has no rights....

 

Here is what the scientific studies have to say about unwanted children.

https://birthpsychology.com/content/born-unwanted-developmental-effects-denied-abortion

I applaud what you have done and are doing for these unfortunate children. In a better world there would be a million people like you available each and every year to take loving care of all of the unwanted children.

Unfortunately people like you are all too rare in the world and so the alternative is the suffering of unwanted children.

The alternative to unwanted children that our current society offers is abortion.

Until we can provide a better life for all of those millions upon millions of unwanted children the option for an abortion is going to remain in place.

 

Well said. Completely agree.

 

Why do you persist in nonsensical appeal to authority fallacy ? Fallacy that has been pointed out to you numerous times. Just because a group of religious extremists get together and make a law ... does not make that law just or the tenets of that law true.

2) Your "common scientific knowledge claim" is demonstrably false and this has also been pointed out to you numerous times.

People make mistakes. The difference between a rational person and a fool is one who keeps making the same mistake over and over again despite the fact that they have been shown their mistake.

 

Could you explain what this has to do with abortion and/or the topic?

 

I told you that the reason for our "madness" is that abortion unequivocally denies all future life experiences just as murder does. That theft is the primary reason most people consider murder wrong. Again, people consider murder wrong not because of the method used to kill, not based on who was murdered, or their past life experiences, or their level of consciousness. Those of us afflicted with abortion "madness" recognize the similar theft of all future experiences in murder and abortion.

No one would ask any of the questions you asked me in order to justify a murder. You have failed to justify why those questions should be asked after a baby is killed 1 day before birth in the womb, but why it would be very offensive to ask the same questions 4 days later at the funeral of a baby who died at 1 day old. Let's see if you can explain the difference.

 

When someone takes all future life experiences of another who was going to take all future life experiences from them, we do not consider that murder. When someone takes all future life experiences from another for reasons of convenience or discomfort, we consider it murder.

 

Maybe of a born person ( has rights) but a fetus is not a born person (doesn't have rights) so "murder" doesn't apply. Although you can call it anything you want and if you think murder is happening do please call the police. Have you?.


Murder usually is for reasons of convenience and discomfort. The other person is inconvenient and/or causing "discomfort".

 

Pay attention. I never said abortion was murder. The point of my posts is clear. Earlier, those who opposed abortion were diagnosed with madness. My posts attempt to explain some possible causes for the affliction. Perhaps some recognize that abortion shares the primary characteristic of murder that causes people to feel it is wrong: the taking of all future life experiences irrespective of the amount or type of past life experiences.