The Basics, Abortion is a Homicide, Face that Fact

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  1. One Mind

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    You know, there are probably some women who carry a sense of guilt about killing their unborn child. And they should feel a sense of guilt. For look at what they did! Yet one wonders these days if many feel such a sense of guilt, or has it become so acceptable and they have been so conditioned, that there is hardly any thought given to what they did, at all. For you can certainly condition lots of people to see nothing wrong with taking a human life. Or you can condition people to believe the opposite.

    I dunno if it is just dems, but many people pick and choose which morality they will follow, with their choices being dependent upon what they want to do, in the first place. So, if you like being irresponsible for whatever reason, your moral compass with take into consideration what you want. If you do not want to be bothered by a practice of birth control, you will develop a morality which skips being responsible to and for other lives than your own. Plus, our society's laws say it is perfectly fine and legal to kill the unborn if the infant will inconvenience you in any way at all. For we must not be inconvenienced! And perhaps even taking birth control pills or using an implant is such an inconvenience, and of what value is the life of a developing human being anyways? It must not have any value for it is legal to kill them.
     
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    I agree. The reason for the abortion is relevant but its outrageous to think any woman uses abortion as birth control because she too lazy or apathetic to use a condom. Oh wait, the MAN didn't use a condom!

    Only someone who knows nothing about abortion would believe this.
     
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    "..neither one would have ever killed their own unborn child.."


    You're a fool if you believe that.

    "..society as a whole should still mourn the death of an innocent human being, and to have that attitude towards human life. And yet today, what legal abortion for birth control has done, for this society, is a loss of value for life.."

    I'll bet you consider yourself a christian. If so, you god kills billions and causes millions to have the worst kind of defect, millions more starve to death, millions are raped and molested by jackasses like pedo Repub Roy Moore and the orange moron who bragged about getting away with being a serial sexual preadator. I'm fed up with the RW hypocrites who believe we should drag big government into our most private and personal life decisions.

    If you really believe that women use abortion for their birth control - I can't imagine anything as brainless as that. You really think these women have the thousands $$ to pay for the abortion, the after care, travel to another state or county or city, time off from work, child care and on and on and on.

    Believe what you want but big government does not belong making intimate decisions for Americans. Its legal. Its guaranteed by the US Constitution. You own your body and you own the choice of when or if you reproduce. So do I and so do others. Its not your business. Its not the business of your huge GOP government.

    MYOB
     
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    That is the women’s private issue. Of course you’re a man telling women what they feel. I never said that some women simply don’t care. I think it would be the same as saying men don’t care when they agree there should be an abortion. Some care, some don’t. But you can’t kill something that isn’t alive. It is a potential child and whether she cares or not is her issue...not yours to tell her what she should feel
     
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    It is not a question of lazy or irresponsible. But in fact abortion is very effective birth control. And that is a perfectly acceptable use for it. A woman has the right to use abortion as her only form of birth control if she wishes. I wouldn't recommend it but it is her right.
     
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    Huh? Most women who have abortions don’t feel a need to discuss it. They are happy that they can go on with their lives. You personify a zygote, women are smart enough to realize that this 1/10 of 1 ounce with no neural connections is not a child.
     
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    Then why brag like trump? Oh I know, locker room talk...lol
     
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    You could be sure of one thing, if your daughter ever wanted an abortion or had an abortion she would never tell you.
     
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    If only the right cared as much about actual children as they do about ZEFs. Only the uneducated think that a embryo is a human being. They must also thinking acorn is an oak tree
     
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    She is very lovely but if my husband ever put our daughters picture on a site like this, I would be outraged. It is disrespectful.
     
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    YES! :) Some women have the audacity to do as they damn well please without taking YOUR feelings into consideration. They, even if they knew you, don't give a damn what you think and THAT is what bothers people like you.

    How DARE you support this country with your taxes going to wars that KILL PEOPLE ..How HYPOCRITCAL!!!!!!!





    More of your self confessed hyperbole when you lack FACTS...DO show proof no Republicans ever had abortions...GO AHEAD, where's your proof....you won't find any because women of all parties and social levels have abortions :) :) :)




    Your continued advocating that everyone take drugs and implant foreign objects in their bodies (as if that's "responsible") to make YOU feel better about yourself is quite disgusting...

    :) It's so wonderful women disregard the antiques/rights haters/women haters and do like everyone else, what they please....how simply aggravating for you :roflol:

    All those women having sex anyway they please without you....and having abortions as is their right......how frustrating for you :)
     
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    NO birth control method is mandatory or obligatory ...none. NO woman is obliged to use any form of Birth Control.

    If a woman has an unwanted pregnancy she can just get an abortion.

    Women don't get Brownie points for using pills/drugs/appliances in their bodies and not getting abortions...they are all the SAME.
     
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    Well then tell them about it. I am not a right winger, but once again, as I have to do incessantly with the modern left, which is to remind them I am a FDR Progressive, or a Progressive with a moral compass, as those people had once upon a time. I am all for basic human rights, but do not artificially put the false rights of a mother above the rights of another human life. Her rights end where the other person, or life begins. This is coherent with individual rights, instead of incoherent.
     
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    So, abortion is not used for birth control? You live in some alternative universe of your own imagination. Your position is disconnected from reality. For you can be control not having a child before, by modern birth control, or you can control it by abortion, after the fact of pregnancy. I have seen incoherent thinking here before, but this is right up there at the top.
     
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    This has nothing to so with feelings, but everything to do with the loss of value for human life and the killing of another human life. Now, sure it spawns the emotions in some people, the people who value human life, but it stands on its own without the emotions. One can feel emotions at witnessing a murder of a human life, from a gunshot, but that is apart from the fact it was wrong to take another human life. And especially so if that life is innocent, not yet born.

    At the root of this is simply if we as a society are gonna respect and value human life. And of course as a society we lost some of that value. And this affects an interdependent and interrelated society in a negative and unhealthy way. Devaluing human life is always the wrong thing to do and the stupid thing to do. Do we not already as humanity devalue it? Well, take a look at this world for that answer.
     
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    "False rights" ? What are "false rights"? Those YOU don't agree with? :) Too bad for you they are real, not false.


    Pregnant women do NOT lose their right to their own body, they do NOT become possessions of the state, nor do they become YOURS.


    IF a fetus was granted rights it's rights would end where the woman's began.

    That will probably be "incoherent" to you since YOU put women on the bottom of everything, the scapegoats, the villains, the selfish, the irresposnsible....but happily and despite misogynists women STILL have the right to their own bodies.....:)
     
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    YES, DUH, you answered your own question!

    Do we not already devalue human life ? YES, and ALWAYS have.

    It has NOTHING to do with abortion....abortion did NOT cause Cain to murder his brother...SEE, murder and devaluing life started BEFORE abortion :)
     
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    This has nothing to so with feelings, but everything to do with the loss of value for human life and the killing of another human life. Now, sure it spawns the emotions in some people, the people who value human life, but it stands on its own without the emotions. One can feel emotions at witnessing a murder of a human life, from a gunshot, but that is apart from the fact it was wrong to take another human life. And especially so if that life is innocent, not yet born.

    At the root of this is simply if we as a society are gonna respect and value human life. And of course as a society we lost some of that value. And this affects an interdependent and interrelated society in a negative and unhealthy way. Devaluing human life is always the wrong thing to do and the stupid thing to do. Do we not already as humanity devalue it? Well, take a look at this world for that answer.
    Don't act so dense, as I was clear in this false right. A right ends where another human life begins. Most of our law is based upon that, in case you missed it. And yet, with this killing of other human lives, we had to move outside of that principle, in order to legalize the killing of another human being. Look, just admit you do not value all human life and let it go at that. I on the other hand do have such value. I value and respect something you do not. And we can end it there. Unless you want to attempt to wiggle out of the reality here. I expect you to do that with word games and incoherence.
     
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    YES, DUH, you answered your own question!

    Do we not already devalue human life ? YES, and ALWAYS have.

    It has NOTHING to do with abortion....abortion did NOT cause Cain to murder his brother...SEE, murder and devaluing life started BEFORE abortion :)


    That is another thing you cannot address.



    Your total inability to address the fact that pregnant women do NOT lose their rights shows you have no case.


    Your inability to address separate issues in my posts is telling. You just spew the same crap over and over with NO rebuttal.









    Just admit that you do NOT value human life since you support war.



    But support war, how hypocritical.


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    End it with your self confessed hyperbole? No.

    I'm "wriggling out" of nothing. I stand firm. It's you who are wriggling and squirming trying to lay blame on disrespect for life on women alone....VERY dishonest.

    :) To you facts are "word games and incoherence".




    The FACT is that even IF a fetus had rights they cannot override the rights of the women they're in and YOU have NEVER addressed that FACT.
     
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    Then let us use your mode of thinking and devalue it even more!! But when is enough, enough for you? For devaluing it is certainly acceptable to you. But it is not acceptable to some people. So you keep on devaluing it, and I shall do the contrary.
     
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    Your inability to address separate issues in my posts is telling. You just spew the same crap over and over with NO rebuttal.



    How many wars are enough for you? Nevermind, answering specific INCONVENIENT questions is not something you are able to do :)








    The FACT is that even IF a fetus had rights they cannot override the rights of the women they're in and YOU have NEVER addressed that FACT.


    When will you face facts and learn that YOUR feelings have nothing to do with other's rights :)
     
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    I get a kick out of your “FDR PROGRESSIVE” label as though it makes you somehow morally superior.Roosevelt used the FBI and other government agencies to spy on domestic critics. He also authorized the use of the American Legion to assist the FBI in monitoring American citizens.is that what you like? Did you also like how hitler and Mussolini praised him? We can all pick and choose what we like about someone and identify with only that aspect. Remind me of people who pick and choose from the Bible

    You think you have a moral compass because you value a zygote over a woman’s right . Since you feel so strongly when a woman has an abortion why doesn’t she give you this fraction of an ounce little toddler so you can care for it. You want to tell a woman but she has to breed against her will. You should read or watch handmaids tale...sounds like your beliefs
     
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    Look up the word “potential”. Do you think an acorn is a tree? If you remove acorns from the earth are you destroying a forest?
     
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    When stopped at every point and shown to be wrong , quit debating and give an off topic speech.....;)
     
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    No it isn't homicide. It isn't a human being yet. Still a bag of cells.
     

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