The Basics, Abortion is a Homicide, Face that Fact

All this talk about whether or not a cluster of cells is a human being, is irrelevant. I will give both sides the benefit of being 100% right. Now what?

Home pregnancy tests make it impossible to know who is pregnant.
Those who want an abortion will get one regardless of your opinion or the law. (Please disagree and explain how.)
Knowing that abortion laws are 99.9999% unenforceable, the only actions that can save these babies is to convince the mother to carry full term and raise the child or give him/her up for adoption.

The only factor in this discussion is the expecting mother's willingness. You can push laws, jump up and down, scream, kick, throw things, carry signs, and post in forums but your opinion is just as worthless as unenforceable abortion laws.

 

You have not presented any Science and your claims are all "naked".

Clearly you have not clue about the "science" because if you did you would not make such nonsensical claims.

When you have a look at some of the domain Science, as I have, you find out that there are 5 main scientific perspectives on when human life begins: Metabolic, Genetic, Embryological, Neurological, Ecological.

Unfortunately for your silly claim, only one (genetic) puts the beginning of human life at conception ... and this perspective - while popular with the raging masses - has fallen out of favor among scientists.

 

OH ... not the old "its a human because its a human fallacy". Repeating a claim does not make it any less false. Both you and I know full well that you have never been able to support your claim that a human exists at conception.

Do you never tire of committing the same fallacy over and over - despite the fact that this fallacy has been pointed out to your numerous times ?

Are you hoping that some of the people you are posting to will not realize our error - even though you do ?
It does not get much more disingenuous.

 

What is meaningless is you thinking that repeating your claim "Zygote is a human" constitutes support for that claim.

Your claim that you have proven your claim is refuted by the fact that logical fallacy - by definition - does not prove a claim. Avoiding tough questions is not proof of claim.

So .. once again, What is the significant difference between the zygote (single human cell at conception) and other human cells and how does this difference put the zygote on par with a living human.

 

Abortion a homicide? So is war, but I don't see many posters here or anywhere else screaming opposition to that wretched practice. Trump has said he likes wars, and is doing everything in his power to increase American sales of weapons abroad to "help the American economy, and create jobs." What kind of morality creates jobs by making weapons to kill people? How is knocking 24 million Americans off health care any less offensive than supporting abortions? Many elderly with pre-conditions will face death without medical care once they are dropped. When you realize the reason for this policy is to divert money spent saving lives of poorer Americans to a program supporting a large tax break for the wealthiest Americans, you can't avoid wondering where the morality lies in this quagmire. Abortion is a complex issue involving the human rights of all concerned, not just the fetus.

 

Yes, it's the Trump Republicans who are cutting social programs to fund killing while whining and moaning about women aborting...what flaming hypocrites !

Trump wants to cut funding to WIC and SNAP, programs that feed and give health care to BORN children.

As always, Anti-Choicers have proven they do NOT care about that "precious life" after it's born. They only "care" about it to control women.

 

Actually, those on the right do more to help those less fortunate. I may not like that it comes with a side order of religion, but the orphanages, food banks, and homeless shelters are mainly funded by Repubs. Dems are more likely to claim they care while having others pay.

 

Gee, nice imagination but didn't do one thing to refute my post:

Yes, it's the Trump Republicans who are cutting social programs to fund killing while whining and moaning about women aborting...what flaming hypocrites !

Trump wants to cut funding to WIC and SNAP, programs that feed and give health care to BORN children.

As always, Anti-Choicers have proven they do NOT care about that "precious life" after it's born. They only "care" about it to control women."""""



.and there are still those "precious lives" waiting in the system to be adopted by Repubs who value life so much

 

Your post refutes itself. Any time you make a broad stroke claim about an entire group, it is automatically false. When that claim is about their state of mind, that is nothing more than the classic straw man.

There is nothing wrong with tax payers speaking up about how their hard-earned money is spent. Women shouldn't be forced to give birth and I shouldn't be forced to pay for her abortion.

As you have noticed, I call people out on their claims to care when it is obvious they only seek the appearance of caring. What do you do for the less fortunate?

 

.and there are still those "precious lives" waiting in the system to be adopted by Repubs who value life so much

 

Oh the dance of the sanctimonious. Nice dodge. So, ... what are you personally doing for the less fortunate you claim to care so much about?

 

UH, WHERE did I say I care so much about fetuses? WHERE was that? It was NO where.... glad to help...

 

Here was your post:

This post infers that you do care about these less fortunate people who are struggling to support themselves. What do you personally do to help this cause you claim to care about?

 

YOU may infer anything you like that doesn't mean I did:

""UH, WHERE did I say I care so much about fetuses? WHERE was that? It was NO where.... glad to help...

"Trump wants to cut funding to WIC and SNAP, programs that feed and give health care to BORN children.

As always, Anti-Choicers have proven they do NOT care about that "precious life" after it's born. They only "care" about it to control women.""""""


Where did I say I care? I just stated facts....seems you want to infer things that weren't there out of self defense...

 

When my mother became pregnant out of wedlock 60 years ago it was such a heinous social crime in those days that her and my dad had a shotgun wedding.
In fact many other women in the same boat had abortions to cover up their terrible shame, and the general neighbourhood consensus was usually "Oh well it was for the best", and they usually wouldn't have minded.
But as the fetus in question, I might have minded if my mother had aborted me..

 

My question was specifically about your post regarding WIC SNAP benefits. You criticized Trump and "anti-choicers" for not caring about those who are less fortunate. What are you doing for the poor that puts you in a position to criticize republicans? Why are you dodging such a simple question? Are you trying to hide hypocrisy?

 

You would not have known.

 

You sure have a bug....YOU asked the Anti-Choicers what they do for the unwanted kids BECAUSE THEY are against abortion.

THEY are the ones calling a fetus precious life and then say "screw born kids...""

I am NOT against abortion, a BIG thing you seemed to miss in your hysteria....I expect the government programs to take care of those who can't take care of themselves as they're paid to do.


..What am I doing that puts me in a position to criticize Republicans ?




UH DUH ( THERE ARE STUPID QUESTIONS!), read the following slowly , it's very basic...you need to know it....


I am an American citizen who pays taxes and I have EVERY right to criticize elected officials.









Or did you want to take away that right , too...you and the other Trumpettes?

I see in your blind adoration of Trump ( which you will deny) that you think it's FINE if HE screws over kids but expect ME to take up the slack...how asinine!

...and yes, I could make up a story about what I do personally just like those defensive Anti-Choicers do when backed in to a wall but , unlike you, I know those stories are so much bunk, you can't believe what people say about themselves....didn't you know that?


Now back to my post that you could not refute:



Yes, it's the Trump Republicans who are cutting social programs to fund killing while whining and moaning about women aborting...what flaming hypocrites !

Trump wants to cut funding to WIC and SNAP, programs that feed and give health care to BORN children.

As always, Anti-Choicers have proven they do NOT care about that "precious life" after it's born. They only "care" about it to control women.

 

You are running around in circles to avoid answering a simple question. I can only assume you are avoiding it because you are in no position to criticize Republicans for not caring about people once they are born. (The hypocrite calling the kettle black!)

Yes, many Republicans claiming to care about human life are usually just doing it for appearance. Some actually walk the walk.

You, a Democrat, have done the same thing when it comes to helping those less fortunate. Your claim to care about these poor people that those evil republicans are trying to harm by reducing WIC and SNAP benefits, but when asked what you are personally doing to help, it is becoming apparent that you seek only the appearance of caring.

Post 184 refutes your post, but I will be happy to do it again if you enjoy having your nose rubbed in it.

You may continue pointing your righteous finger at Republicans in your desperate attempt to convince others that you really care about the less fortunate.

 

I think we all agree that abortion is morally okay IF continuing the pregnancy poses serious health risks for the mother, or if scans show that the baby would be born severely handicapped mentally and/or physically.
But what surely sticks in every decent persons craw is the fact that many women want to abort a healthy fetus simply because they don't want the bother of having to raise it and look after it.

 

Doesn't stick in my craw at all. In fact no reason at all need be given for an abortion. "I want one" will do just fine.

 

So I take it you wouldn't have minded if my mother had aborted me when she became preggers out of wedlock.
But I might have minded..

 

Well you didn't have a mind so that would be impossible....you were in fact brain dead at the time.

 

Hmm that's debatable, one minute I'd be in the nice warm relaxing jacuzzi of my mother's womb, and the next I'd be in a cold trashcan somewhere surrounded by discarded Burger King cartons and orange peel thinking "WTF??"

 

Well you wouldn't be thinking because factually you would be brain dead.