The beginning of the end of free speech

This is truth. Hear here!

 

Given the internet with special note of even this very website there seems no repeat no shortage of people who take great delight in attacking Islam.

Seem off hand that this religion had taken the place of Judaism as the most attacked religion on the planet.

As an atheist in good standing I find it all very amusing if a little sad.

 

Chester only those in our age group could fully understand just how much we really lost. And how far down we went since the early 1960s.

 

But they'll never know because the loss of rights has been incremental, leaving those born later unaware of what those freedoms were.

 

Sad but true. Plus what the dept of education aka indoctrination has done to their poor minds since grade school last 30 years or so. And I don't put all the blame on teachers it is the parents job to see what their kids are learnign in schools.

 

No so sure, Guess Who. The teachers unions are very powerful and the politicians they support, all Democrats, are beholden to them. Look what they're doing to Betsy DeVos.

 

I know American history better than you do, buddy. The only free speech McCarthy approved of was his own. BTW, I personally knew several of his victims.

 

The only people who can "see" that are those who didn't actually listen to what Lieu said, particularly the part about how restricting such speech is not the role of the government ant that it is a good thing that it isn't.

 

I'm not sure what any of that religious tripe has to do with the global takeover by fundamentalist Islam.

 

Quote from link:
Possibly a better way of expressing concerns about blasphemy laws is to list the 30 Islamic countries that have such regulations, 13 of them imposing the death penalty for the offence. Here they are, in alphabetical order. Some offer life imprisonment. The ones in bold print carry death sentences:

• Afghanistan
• Algeria
• Bahrain
• Brunei
• Egypt
• Indonesia
• Iran
• Iraq
• Jordan
• Kuwait
• Lebanon
• Libya
• Mauritania
• Malaysia
• Maldives
• Morocco
• Nigeria
• Oman
• Pakistan
• Palestinian territories
• Qatar
• Saudi Arabia
• Senegal
• Somalia
• Sudan
• Tunisia
• Turkey
• United Arab Emirates (UAE)
• Western Sahara
• Yemen

With this disturbing list in mind, let us consider at least one dangerous development in Europe. More than one Western country is bringing forth legislation that will allow Islamic blasphemy laws in through the back door. In 2017, Canada passed Motion M-103, regarded as a shari'a blasphemy law forbidding free speech about Islam. Although at this stage it is "non-binding, one of its supporters, Samer Majzoub, president of the Canadian Muslim Forum and affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, wrote, "Now that Islamophobia has been condemned, this is not the end, but rather the beginning."

 

Very true. Was listening to a lecture by Richard Wolf last night about how after WW2 the States attacked both socialists and communists who had worked to create a balance between capitalism and workers rights and needs in the US - pretending they were agents of the USSR. Of course the UK and other European countries did not ban communism and communist Parties, it did not deport/imprison people for their political views. The idea of the US being a 'free' country is a bit of a laugh and being more free, having more free speech than Europe, ridiculous.

 

If you don't understand religion (and the differences between law and spirit) all you can do is be against it in totality, and they have a verse for that.

 

Who has a verse for what? I don't have the faintest idea where you're coming from.

 

No, do you?

 

The Islamifascist.

Islam is more like following a book like the Art of War than following a spirit. Like some guy named Paul said, "for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life"; Books don't change, spirits do. The fundamentalist believes the book is perfect. I ran into that when I went to a Fundamentalist Baptist Madrassa, had a guy flipping pages for hours at the Wild's Christian camp trying to use the Bible to prove itself. All the fundamentalist needs is one verse that identifies you as a unbeliever, another verse to say you are exceeding the limits, rejecting their communications, and then all discussion ends.

 

The topic "Freedom of Speech" is a permanent topic, because there is a big difference between Europe and the USA!
In the US, there is, in principle, the total and unrestricted "freedom of speech", while in Europe it is so far limited that this right can not violate elementary rights of others. Also, in Europe, according to many constitutions, the dignity of man is inviolable ... that means, a defamation of an ethnic group, religious group, etc. just because they are different, is constitutionally prohibited! Similarly, in Europe, the constitutional right to "freedom of speech" can not be miss-used to eleminate the constitution that this right grants, because that's a crime!

Here in the case, it was about a woman from Austria in public speaking publicly calling the Islamic prophet Muhammad pedophile. Hanger was marrying a 7 year old.
Of course, this is offensive to us today, without question, only before one here throws stones at the muslims, he should first learn about their own history at this time in his country. Because in the oh so Christian Europe it was the same at that time, blessed by the Christian church!

In its ruling, the court first of all made it clear that religious freedom did not protect its own religion - even harshly - from being criticized. However, criticism is no longer worthy of protection where it can lead to religious intolerance. This was seen given the statements of the Austrian. A distinction should be made between pure value judgments and those based on a fact kernel. The statements that the woman made in her seminars were based, for example, on T. on false factual statements, it was found. She would have suggested that Muhammad was generally a pedophile and did not explain the historical background to this topic. Because their judgment on the Prophet lacked a true core and that it was not done objectively, the courts objected to it in a comprehensible way.

 

How the hell do you determine a “fact kernel,” when dealing with whether someone, a so-called “Prophet,” or god, should be worshiped or not?

Their Book leads to religious intolerance, their Hadith leads to religious intolerance.

 

If Joseph McCarthy was against free speech please provide a link where he made that claim.

 

No, I don't believe Muslims have free speech and they're encouraging the democracies to control their free speech as well. They just had a great victory against free speech at the UN. Ignorance combined with indiscriminate violence is once again showing it's ugly face in Europe and much of the rest of world. Good think the women are often forced to keep their own faces covered.

 

Is it your understanding that the Communists were trying to create a balance between democracy and workers rights in the US? Is that what occured in Communist countries?

 

Peterson is always a good listen imo.

 

the thing mccarthy was against was those whom took allegiance to the 'sickle & hammer' and wore it like a badge, considering we were at war against a communist regime, it made perfect sense to gather those people up & keep a 'close eye' on them until the dust settled. had nada to do with free speech...

 

Well that explains the German perspective on restricting free speech. The woman said Mohammed was a pedophiie but not that pedophilia was common among Muslims during that time frame.

However pedophilia seems to be continuing as Muslims move into Europe. Should that be mentioned or must Europeans be silent on this as well? https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13075/britain-grooming-gangs

 

And of course his warnings were justified given that Communists murdered over 100 million people during the previous century and far more than Fascism or Nazism.

The odd thing is there are still those, after all the evidence is in, who believe Communism was for the workers.

 

imo, liberals are too caught up in being liberal to their own detriment, they are blinded by their ideals, so much so, that they want everyone and everything to be free, including all those lifers that obama released from prison... a true mental disorder