The Bible II

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  1. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Jews were never punished for Asheroth worship.. It's only their belief. Their 'punishments' were down to making silly errors of judgement.
     
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    400 Asherah priest struck down? Foreign invasions? They were punished eveytime they got fat and happy and strayed from the One God
     
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    If you want to believe the story that's up to you. In real life, the Jews suffered for their errors of misjudgement.
     
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    Well, we agree on that.
    Come to think of it, both parts.
     
  5. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or do the "numeric" values get skewed in the retelling
    while the truth of such an event remains.


    Fat Priests is why we need a return to the Franciscan type orders
    prevalent in the fifties but, out muscled by Jesuit types. :rant:
     
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    Archeology and The Old Testament.

    At least a retelling of history.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ancient-...zion-prove-bible-story-is-true-174228914.html
    Ancient arrowheads found in Mount Zion
    ‘prove Bible story is true’


    Archaeologists have unearthed evidence of the brutal, lengthy siege of Jerusalem described in the Second Book of Kings in the Bible.


    The Bible says, ‘So the city was besieged unto the 11th year of King Zedekiah. On the ninth day of the fourth month the famine was sore in the city, so that there was no bread for the people of the land. Then a breach was made in the city, and all the men of war fled by night by the way of the gate between the two walls....’


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    Now University of North Carolina at Charlotte archaeologists digging in Jerusalem have found evidence of the Babylonian conquest of the city from 587/586 BCE.


    The researchers found a deposit including layers of ash, arrowheads dating from the period, as well as Iron Age potsherds, lamps and a gold and silver tassel or earring.


    The researchers believe that the find can be dated to the specific event of the Babylonian conquest because of the unique mix of artefacts - pottery and lamps, burnt wood and ashes, and a number of Scythian-type bronze and iron arrowheads which are typical of that period. . . .

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    Deep within The Bible exist some truths obscured in the retelling.

    Moi :oldman:






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    Witness Where God Placed :flagcanada:
     
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    I think you mean the Israelite's - who believed YHWH's consort was Asherah. The Israelites did not spend much time worshiping that YHWH fellow.
     
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    The earlier Ugarit Pantheon of gods was headed by El, who had sons including Jahweh. Jahweh was given the task of looking after Israel. That's Ugarit.

    When the tribes split, the northern 10 chose to worship El at Shiloh. The southern 2 (Judah and Simeon) amalgamated all the attributes of the Ugarit Pantheon into one god = Jahweh. In the OT you will find that most of the kings of the northern state (Israel) are recorded as 'doing evil against god'. This is often, by religious people, said to be the reason why they were conquered by the Assyrians, and 'lost'. The southern state (Judah - and Simeon) are recorded as having kings who were faithful to Yahweh. Until they began to stray and 170 years after the loss of the 10 tribes, they themselves were taken into captivity - from which they returned.

    The real truth is that the southern kingdom was, in the main, a peaceful kingdom. Usually provoked into war by the northern kingdom. The northern - not so. And that was their downfall.

    Ugarit writings, poetry and gods are interwoven with their Jewish counterparts.

    All religions take from previous religions and often adapt ideas for themselves. There's little in Judaism that hasn't been adapted from earlier, and in the Christian religion that hasn't been adapted from Judaism.
     
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    Need more context.. let me read the whole passage first.


    Nope all she did was trick her enemy snd killed him.
     
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    Israel was being led by a woman at the time this occurred.
     
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    Please do so and upload.
    What of significance might I have omitted?


    The story also involves the Judge, Deborah
    and a leader / commander - Barak.
    YES there was a Barak before the President and he was "Jewish"



    My bet is Barry thought is sounded like a cool, name from Africa. ;)
     
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    You didn't necessarily omit anything but the why is important and that's hard to determine without the context.

    Short version..

    Israel was bad so God brought in the Canaanites to oppress them. Israel repented and cried out to God. God relented and delivered the Canaanites into Israel's hand and they were victorious.
    The general of the cannanites fled and made his way to a woman's tent where he thought he might rest and hide. She killed him.

    That's the story.
     
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    Question: What of the most ancient laws of hospitality.
    The invited guest is "secure".
    Was there a violation / sin on Ja'el's part?
    Remember the milk and blanket (sleep assisting) and assurance she would stand guard.
     
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    I don't know. If it was important to the story that aspect would be prominent.

    What's important in the story is that.
    1. God hears the prayers of His people because He has plans for them.
    2. Deborah was proved true as a prophet .
    The main things are the plain things andvthe plain things are the main things.
     
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    Genesis 1 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
    "1 In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --

    2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,

    3 and God saith, `Let light be;' and light is."

    Did God actually create the universe? Or did He prepare it for His creation? Perhaps God (like the universe) was a product of 'the big bang.'
     
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    And a great piece of fiction.
     
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    Never heard of the Youngs Literal Translation.
     
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    Maybe a different thread would be better for that.
     
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    Interesting story Robert Young gotta love the Scottish . A layman devoting his life to this work.

    It's a literal translation that means he's going for the best translation he can for each word, not necessarily the meaning of the whole passage especially in regards to tenses of verbs.This may lead to slight differences compared to other translations.
    He also wrote a concordance and a commentary.
     
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    I think God created the universe and the Earth. I wasn't there so i don't know how He did it. I think it's clear that at least some of his creative processes are still at work today so it's easy to argue that God is still creating the Earth.
    Since none of us were there i think being dogmatic about the specifics isn't of much value.
    The main thing is that God created it because He wanted to created beings on which to display His love.
     
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    God created the Universe... from a strictly scientific view,,the sound waves of his voice put the Big Bang in motion.. you see, matter does not exist with out motion.. i.e. vibrations.
     
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    the come from the Koran?
     
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    No but ge left out quite a bit...
     
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    Love? He created a world that kills thousands through earthquakes, floods, volcanos. And don't tell me it was man's sin that caused this. These events have been happening for millions of years, and will continue to happen. Tectonic plates will continue to move, and move continents causing devastation all over the world. Floods will continue, Droughts will continue, Volcanos will cause loss of life.
    If you actually believe the OT he didn't spare innocent women and children from the sword. Love?
     
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    Seismologists have a saying.
    Earthquakes don't kill people buildings do.
    Floods and volcanoes also kill people because of where they choose to live.

    If you read the bible you'd know there are no innocent people.

    For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..
    And
    The wages of sin is death.

    All have sinned therefore all deserve death.

    The fact that Gods bears with us even in our sin and rebellion proves his great love.
     
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