The Bible II

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  1. JET3534

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    You said science is guessing. The results of science show that science is not guessing. Now getting back to the subject. Do you deny that DNA, DNA sequencing, radiometric dating, fossils, geology, etc. make the Biblical theory of creation impossible?
     
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    Yes. I deny those things make the biblical narrative of creation impossible.
     
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    Gee, don't you know by now that those ancient Jews knew everything and that modern humans don't know anything? Their fairy tale was written in a book and called "holy" so it must be true. Why would they lie? :eyepopping:
     
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    Maimonides | Judaism and Science
    https://www.judaismandscience.com/tag/maimonides
    The Conflict over Whether Judaism and Science Conflict. The direct answer to the question depends to a considerable degree on how one defines Judaism, and to a lesser degree on how one defines science. But discussions about the topic, even from Jewish perspectives, often miss that basic point.
     
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    The Biblical narrative of creation is impossible. The Bible stories up thru Joshua are morality tales based on myths and folklore from the Canaanites, Sumer and Egypt.

    They are FICTION not history.
     
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    That's certainly your opinion, not any sort of proven fact.
     
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    All the evidence is against Genesis, Exodus and the conquests of Joshua. ALL of the evidence. They are morality tales like Aesop's fables which were written about the same time.
     
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    You are welcome to your opinion.
     
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    My opinion is of no consequence. Hard evidence against the historicity of the myths does matter.
     
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    LOL
     
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    I believe you mentioned the book of Robert before but I thought you were joking. Looks like an interesting book which I will probably read. Based on the sample Amazon provided you are a good writer although one would expect a newspaper editor to be a good writer.
     
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    And where is your proof that your fairy tale is true. You people never have any proof of your claims.
     
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    I am not trying to prove anything other than what the bible says.. you'll choose to believe in the bible or not regardless of any proof. Disbelief doesn't come from a lack of facts it comes from the desire for it not to be true.
     
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    Unless we were there, it all is pretty much extrapolation and guesswork from what evidence we think we have of ancient times. And science is learning all the time how it got it wrong and readjusting its theories and opinions on pretty much most aspects of scientific knowledge.

    I am one who does not believe in the young Earth theory--I do think the Earth and universe have been around for billions of years. But I also do not disparage those who believe in the young Earth theory because God after all is the author of science. And who among us can say with absolute certainty that the Earth was not created with all those fossils etc. already in place?

    Improbable? Certainly. Impossible? I am one who believes nothing is impossible with God.
     
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    Do you think gravity depends on faith or lack of faith? If I desire gravity NOT to be true does that make it so?
     
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    You think God changed the rules and had the sun stand still? Joshua 10:12–14

    “On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel: ‘Sun, stand still over Gibeon, / and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.’
     
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    By the time God made Adam the people of Sumer were accomplished farmers. They had invented writing, irrigation and sailboats.

    You see? Remember the Fertile Crescent?

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    We've noticed that. Some people believe in the Bible. Ceetain events happened before your birth. Do you have to guess those events. Nature proves what happened. We can't see the supposed flood of Noah but we know that the Biblical account is impossible. That's according to the Bible's hydrological explanation. Of course you can have your 'guess' I'll stay with facts.
     
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    Having god perpetrate a fraud that stupendous would certainly be a major discredit to pretty much everythig said about the god of the bible.

    But, even the bible says that we may discover how this universe works.

    And if the facts we find (fossils, geology, astronomy, biology, etc.) are all lies, then the statement that we could meaningully study this universe would be another blatant lie.

    So, I don't believe you can have it both ways.

    The fact that science is a process of discovery, refiement over time, is not a knock on science - it is a fact of human capability. Science is a framework for eliminating false conclusions as rapidly as possible.

    All humans have to recognize that about being human in all that we do. Even religious belief comes in too many varieties to count, unfortunately without any possibility of narrowing the field.
     
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    Joshua is a different discussion. My post addressed Creation.
     
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    Thank you for the encouraging words. Say hello to Mrs. Peel.
     
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    It wouldn't necessarily be a fraud or lies. Nobody knows the mind of God. The only thing I'm pretty much 100% certain of is that when we get to Heaven, we are all going to have a really good laugh when we find out how much we got wrong of what think we know.

    My point is that we should not be disparaging anybody's religious faith. I am pretty sure God is far more concerned with our relationship with him and how we allow Him to work through us than he is with our personal theology. Another person may believe in a young Earth theory and take all of the Bible absolutely literally and that person is still a child of God and does not harm me in any way. Nor does my belief in more of the scientific theory make me less a child of God, and it does not harm anybody else in any way.

    Live and let live and love God and one another. That was the example Jesus set. I think we all should follow it.
     
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    Sure, we should all love each other - I agree, and we have a long, long way to go on that as we see in the news every day.

    However, disrespecting what we have learned about this universe and how it works is not loving each other.

    It is damage that religion does to our wellbeing. When it takes place here it's also damaging to America.

    I'm not one who is interested in getting people to dump their religion. But, when that religion assaults science we do have a very real problem.
     
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    Its very primitive and backward to demand people forego education for religion.
     
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