Actually there is recent discovery that is evidence for the biblical flood, in the black sea . All we have for past events is evidence , there is proof of nothing.
I'm sorry. But I know too many people who take the Creation stories literally, who believe God did stop the sun, who believe the genealogies establish a young Earth, even a couple of flat Earthers, who are honest, intelligent, healthy, happy, prosperous, and loving and generous to a fault. They add to the goodness of humankind and make the world a better place. They harm nothing and nobody. And I honestly don't think science feels insulted at all. Even when I disagree with them on pretty much every single point, I don't feel insulted either.
The Black sea was a slow moving flood with plenty of time to move livestock and family to higher ground. Noah’s Not-so-big Flood - Woods Hole Oceanographic ... https://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/feature/noahs-not-so-big-flood Aug 14, 2009 · A long time ago, whether your time frame is biblical or geological, the Black Sea was a large freshwater Black “Lake.” It was cut off from the Mediterranean Sea by a high piece of land that dammed the entry of salty seawater through the narrow connecting Bosphorus valley. ... Noah’s Not-so-big Flood. Noah’s Not-so-big Flood New evidence ...
That was nowhere near a Biblical flood. An area of land was covered when the Mediterranean flooded into the Black Sea. No mountains, , were flooded. That was around 7.500 years BCE. We know people were living then by the findings. We also know that Egyptian History goes back much further than previously thought - long before the Pharaohs appeared. We have human skeletons that are 200,000 years old and evidence of others earlier. That must put Adam around 250,000 years ago.
Using modern calenders it works out at 4779 years 7 months 3 days 50secs. But who cares about a few seconds. I know I'm right as the first man Mobiled me at the time
Good - nothing comes from insults, obviously. However, those who are so totally oriented to disputing science can't help but be a resource for those who counter education, who disparage higher education in particular, who accept dangerous notions concerning modern medicine (such as vaccinations), who are less aware of economics, who are less able to form sound opinions on numerous US policies, etc. Our future competitiveness as a nation is founded in fields that absolutely require higher education, especially in science related fields - clean energy, automation, innovation, communication, advances in medicine, modern agriculture, etc. Solving problems such as employment, the wage gap, understanding the ramifications of political directions (such as in healthcare, immigration, etc.) all require educated thought. Religion can give some direction, a moral compass perhaps. But, it's not enough just to love those who come here, etc. Holding disrespect for science is dangerous not just for individuals but for our nation as a whole.
You are doing no more than searching for possible confirmations. That is not even slightly good enough.
I am not here to talk about that crap. I sm here to talk about what the bible says. You guys can fulfill prophesy all you want.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...innocent-russian-woman-then-incarcerated-her/ <---This is what the thread is about... if Christians stop posting here … this thread will die. Perhaps what we need to do is start a thread specifically about the Wisdom of the Bible and our favorite verses.. which is what I tho't this was.. not the modern version of Roman coliseum, feeding Christians to the lions. I am sick of Trevor telling me I don't know the Bible.. I am sick of the rest of these antagonist telling us how ignorant and misguided we are. So I come back here to support my Brothers and to warn them of what the true goal of this thread is... to spread the same hatefulness that the serpent seduced Adam and Eve with.. "you can be like god". So come Brothers and Sisters.. we can go the the thread called "the Wisdom and favorite verses of the Holy Bible"
Noah is in the Bible and you are trying to suggest it is a literal story. That story is at least as powerful as an allegory. Also, there are confusing aspects of that story. The largest one to me is that God appears to change his mind. How can an all knowing timeless god face a situation where changing his mind would make sense of any kind? What was it that he didn't know? To me, it's more that God washed away those who didn't believe in Him and promised that was his final judgement - a standard Biblical theme that certainly doesn't have to have a literal event in support. As an allegory, the washing by water is a strong and standard metaphor, as is Noah's salvation by living according to his faith in God. I worry when people decide that the Bible is a work of science. The Bible wasn't written as a work of science. And, deciding not only that it was, but that it is accurate beyond all that is known today is disturbing when considering what that means for everything we know today. Everything.
why do God haters insist on crapping all over other peoples threads??? people can't just talk about what the bible says around them they just have to pull their drawers down and spoil anything of value that might be discussed... i guess the ignore button will be good for that
I'm sorry but I am a one-woman wrecking crew opposed to most forms of political correctness and the thought police who claim anybody who doesn't think and believe as they do are dangerous to society or whatever. And I don't allow myself to be drawn into slippery slope arguments such as those who dispute whatever in science will be those who disparage higher education et al. I think those who would shun, banish, silence, shame or punish people who believe or think differently to be a far more insidious and real danger to our liberties, our well being, and progress of humankind. Not to mention to look down on them is quite snobbish. Some of the worlds most successful billionaires and others in the fields of science, medicine, technology, innovation etc. have only high school diplomas: Zuckerberg, Bill Gates & Paul Allen, Steve Jobs, John Mackey, et al. just to name a few few of a quite large crowd and there are also a fair number of distinguished and famous scientists who don't have a college degree. I am college educated as are my kids. I don't look down on people who go to college and would never discourage them from doing so, but neither do I think college is necessary in order to be educated. Nor is a college education a guarantee that people will think as you do. I have a shirttail cousin with a master's degree in a medical field who is a flat Earther. So there we are. And I will not look down on or declare to be public enemies those very good kind, charitable, dear people who believe God created the universe in six days or hold any other views that I don't share with them. They are of infinite more value than those who would silence or admonish them.
- I thought I was quite clear about NOT being insulting, but that there should be a concern about those who reject science. Today, we have an education crisis. We also have serious problems in healthcare, immigration, etc., and these problems require both the love and respect that should come from religion as well as the science that allows determining efficient solutions. - I've NEVER suggested that people should quit their religion. I'm not opposed to religion. - The fact that you can name a few specific individuals who succeeded without completing their college degrees is meaningless. And, if you want to talk about the education of Bill Gates, let's do it. Your sample size is FAR too small, and you hand picked them. There is NOTHING scientific about your comment. The issue here has to do with where our economy is going and what will be required. When we were agrarian, 8th grade was enough. When we moved into industrialization, we needed high school. Today, the careers with a future require more than that. And, in all cases there are exceptions, but that doesn't negate the rule.
We indeed do have an education crisis. But that crisis IMO is born on college campuses where students are provided safe spaces lest they be exposed to anything 'scary' or 'that bothers them', where students are not only allowed but encouraged to disrespect and shout down and run off campus those who offer a different point of view or ideas than what the students consider acceptable. And when you have students that never hear, consider, are required to evaluate critcally any opposing or different point of view, you have students who are indoctrinated, not educated. And they go on to careers in educational or scientific organizations structured around a single agenda/point of view so that any new ideas or concepts are never heard, much less invited. Allowing diversity of opinion, ideas, suggestions, hopes, dreams is a GOOD thing. And it will produce far better educated scientists, educators, and everything else than the fascist/marxist concept that 'wrong ideas' should be disallowed, silenced, punished etc. And those who would censor religious views are generally the worst offenders when it comes to dangerous thought control in general.
Just replacing "Bible" with Bhagavad Gita" to illustrate your logic. If the Bible is true, the Bhagavad Gita can likewise be considered true. There is no proof of claims in either case. To put it another way, you seem to believe the Bible is self proving (via circular logic) so anyone can claim the Bhagavad Gita is self proving. Still waiting for your evidence that the Biblical creation is true. Clearly DNA sequencing proves evolution (educate yourself and Google the science that supports this) and man evolving over time makes God instantly creating man impossible. I am tired of beating a dead horse so maybe we can jump to the absurd Exodus story. Are you aware this is a totally made up story?
Most of us are not god haters. We don't believe in god. Much of the Wisdom of the Bible can be found in other religions and their books. Though often in their own way of thinking. One instance. You talk about the extremes of good and evil - god and satan. Nothing in between. Yin and Yang acknowledge the extremes of good and evil and sensibly recognise that each depends on the other and the variations in between. The story of Job actually goes back to a more ancient story in a different setting, but asks the same question 'Why do the righteous suffer'? Much of the wisdom of the Bible may have been wisdom in those times, but as times move on and people think for themselves it becomes commonsense rather than wisdom. To paraphrase a saying ' What is, was and will be.
