The Bible Is The Story Of God And His Plan To Fix The World

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  1. JAG*

    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    "I am making everything new"__The Lord Jesus Rev.21:5

    Nothing on this earth has the power to defeat the finished work of the
    Lord Jesus. "It is finished" said Jesus while on The Cross. Here are
    the most powerful finished events in all of human history. No power
    n the Universe can defeat these:

    {1} The Cross -- the power of reconciliation, forgiveness, and restoration -- "being
    justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Romans 5:1

    {2} The Resurrection -- the power of that Empty Tomb. He lives. He is alive.
    He has conquered Death for us -- we now have eternal life.

    {3} The Ascension -- the power of "I go to my Father" , , , "all authority in
    Heaven and on earth has been give to me" Matthew 28:18

    {4} The Exaltation -- the power of being now seated at the right hand of the
    Almighty Sovereign God

    The Bible is the true story of God and His Plan to set the world right again.

    Yes , , ,
    The Bible tells the true story of how God will Christianize the world and
    successfully carry out His Son's Great Commission -- to go and make disciples
    of all nations -- commanded at the very end of Matthew's gospel.

    God is going to fix the world. The world is now broken -- but God is going to
    fix it. Hope lives. Love conquers. Victory. The Cross wins the war for the world.
    Evil is defeated. The Good wins. The world will be Christianized before the Lord
    Jesus returns. The yeast of the gospel will make disciples of all the nations through
    the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit who uses the plain simple gospel message
    to regenerate the hearts of men and to enable them to believe in Jesus as their
    Savior and then to understand the Bible, as the Holy Spirit begins the process
    of creating the fruits of the Holy Spirit in their lives , , ,

    Step one is John 3:3 -- you must be born again {regenerated}
    Step two is John 3:16 -- you must believe in Jesus as your Savior
    Step three is Galatians 5:22-23 -- you must allow the Holy Spirit
    o produce these 8 qualities within your heart , , ,

    Love
    Joy
    Forbearance
    Kindness
    Goodness
    Faithfulness
    Gentleness
    Self-control

    The Holy Spirit produces these 8 qualities in the hearts of humans.
    This process is what finally fixes the world.

    "I am making everything new"__The Lord Jesus

    "And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling
    place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be
    his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will
    wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning
    or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” Rev. 21:3-4

    JAG


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  2. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe if I had God powers I could've made a better world. But hey who doesn't think that?
     
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    . I believe in God but the practice of religion has become a farce. Judge unless ye be judged has no merit in our current religious system. All those people religion claims to want to save are judged and cast out. Gods plan is shown through the Bible. We can see all the evils of man and all the good. That is God teaching. What we have today is a privileged class who practices being judge and jury. I love God so I’m going to listen. People often leave their faith to individuals, a pastor, a so called prophet, etc. Those people are failing, humans should have a direct connection to grace. If humans who practice that grace don’t even practice the fundamentals of love and acceptance they should never be believed nor adored. To be a warrior for God or a messenger, the one major quality you have to have is acceptance and from that change will come. If not it’s just I hate gays, I hate abortions, I hate, I hate, I hate.
     
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    Revelations is hardly a plan to fix the world - sans that it should not be considered canon - and interpretation is most subjective.
    Revelations destroys the world - and every Christian in it - sans a few thousand 144 - of which you are not one.

    And how is that plan going so far ? -

    Yeah .. so the plan is not going very well..

    The rest of your post is pure speculation - one that makes not sense.


    "Born Again" Since you don't know what this means .. how can you do this ?
    2) What is Jesus saving you from ? and why must you believe that Jesus is saving you from said thing.
    3) Give me a break
     
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    there would be no need to fix it if an actual god had anything to do with creating it.
     
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    Puny god.
     
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    I don't think there is anything to fix. I believe the purpose of the universe is to understand and get a sense of itself. We are all just tiny pieces of god cut off from the source without memory so that knowledge of what we are does not influence our decisions or actions. As our souls evolve, we "remember" more and more of what we actually are. Everyone and everything thing on this planet is god. We are all one, pieces of the whole. Good and evil exist for a reason: to provide contrast. Without the contrast the universe would have no sense of itself. Anyway, my thoughts on the matter.
     
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    As an omnipotent God, then He would have known the future of all things the second he created the Universe- therefor the world can’t be broken - it’s all part of the original design.

    Unless the Creator is not a God, just a more advanced being.

    You can’t claim that A God knows all things and then claim the world hasn’t turned out exactly as planned.
     
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    Yes..... that is a truly good explanation for what the Bible is......
    and the relatively new idea in Theoretical Physics of Multiverse
    seems to fit in nicely with the truly big picture.

    In my opinion Messiah Yeshua - Jesus / YHWH / The Word, Logos, is far, far, far, far more powerful than we
    religious people tend to imagine......




    I think that this information fits with :
    3. The future is not fixed and can change
     
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    The world has indeed turned out exactly as he planned SO FAR.

    But the phrase "gradual progress" is THE key phrase to understanding
    the Bible's view of the future --- "I am making everything new" said the Lord
    Jesus in Revelation 21:5 -- and this takes TIME , , , in fact it takes
    mega-millenniums. But it will take place. The world will be Christianized
    before the Lord Jesus returns to earth. There is no power in the Universe
    that can stop this:
    {1} The Power of The Cross
    {2} The Power of the Resurrection {Jesus conquered Sin, Satan, and Death.}
    {3} The Power of the Ascension "I go to my Father"
    {4} The Power of the Exaltation -- Being seated at the right hand of the Father,
    Almighty God -- the one who created you and created Andromeda and created
    the Universe with it's some 10/24 stars.

    By the way, what part do you personally think you will play in all this as your
    life speedily comes to an end -- true for us all, it is. Time flies. We will all soon
    be dead. Do you anticipate experiencing the perish of John 3:16 -- or are you
    at peace with God? Romans 5:1

    _______


    Back to the growth of worldwide Christendom , , ,

    Some 2000 years ago when Christendom was first launched, there was a time
    when the number of disciples was less than 12 -- today 21st century some 2000
    years later the world has some 2.3 billion disciples and Christendom is growing
    like wildfire in the Global South.

    There will come a time, as the mega-millenniums unfold, that the world will become
    a Christian world -- and all nations will call Him blessed. Nothing can stop this
    gradual progress. The Sovereign God indeed does have a Plan and that Plan is
    for His Christian Church to successfully carry out Christ's Great Commission given
    at the end of Matthew's gospel to go and make disciples of all nations teaching them
    to obey the commands of the Lord Jesus. What powers this? Answer: The supernatural
    power of the Holy Spirit -- the Lord Jesus says when He gives the Great Commission
    that He now has all power in Heaven and on earth.

    So?

    So Victory?
    Victory lies ahead for worldwide Christendom.


    Best.

    JAG


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    Or..... could an omnipotent God create being with genuine freedom of choice......
    capable of improving their future IF.. they will make wiser choices?????

    Or is an omnipotent God incapable of creating being with genuine freedom of choice and robots is the best that God can make???????

    I do admit that God has the power to initiate paradise on earth.....
    when the time comes to do so.....
    Tradition has it that there would be six thousand years for humanity to really, really, really mess up.... and then we would spend infinite time in the past looking back at how badly we failed during those six millennia... and then we will do much better.

    (For the record.... I am in no position to limit the history of the earth to only one Adam and Eve pair... for all that I know there could have been more of them, but the pair that we read about are our grandparents).


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04


     
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    Lucifer thought like that too.
     
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    How so ? Lucy had some big powers -- but not like his Daddy .. the Most High.
     
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    Mockers are a waste of time.
     
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    An Omni-potent God would know everything at the moment of creation - what choices and movement that all his creation
    would take - down to the last grain of sand. So no, an omnipotent God could NOT create beings with free will, because
    being that it is omnipotent, it had determined the shape of those choices during creation.

    Any "failures" of humans would have to have been designed into the original choices an omnipotent creator made at creation.
    If not, then the being that created us was merely a more advanced being - not omnipotent. It's kind of built into the word
    "omnipotent" that all things are designed and known.
     
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    Daniel, I think you make those statements with the idea you "have the mind of God". From what I know, God has the ability to predestine AND give us sovereignty over our own lives. Time is not a limitation to Him. There are a lot of things we just don"t comprehend. I have a dog that can comprehend sounds from the T.V. set but doesn't grasp the 2 dimensions on the screen. I have another dog that could care less about TV because it is all "fairytale to him. I know a lot by faith, but have read a lot about people with Near Death Experience's. (NDE's) How does a person, blind from birth come back to a full life describing different shades of light that he can't put into words? There is so much more in that arena but I am content just knowing science and mankind are not capable of being "all knowing".
     
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    Using the one-in-a-million exception isn't really the strong argument you think it is.
     
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    He's sure taking His time getting on with it.
     
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    God created Lucifer as you know. I guess God couldn't go back in time and correct his mistake so now we have to put up with Hades and all that.
     
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    Who are the mockers .. and what is being mocked ? I certainly was not mocking anything.

    "How so ? Lucy had some big powers -- but not like his Daddy .. the Most High"

    Is Lucy not depicted in Job as having some serious powers ?
    Is Lucy not presented as less than the Supreme one ?
    Is Lucy not depicted as a "son of God" in Job?
     
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    It's so easy my dogs can understand it.
     
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    You would have made a 'controlled' world, but control isn't love and God consists of Pure Love. This is why He gave His creations a free will to be either with Him, or without Him.
     
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    I would pass on the free will part if it meant I didn't have to be threatened with going to hell. I don't lie hell it's the part of religion that scares me.
     
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    To know something in advance, doesn't mean you are determining it. A perfect world would have to be a 'controlled' world, but control of anyone is not love.

    Since God is Creation, and as such consists of Pure Love, it would go against His very nature to want to control His creations. This is why we were given a free will. If though we turn to God, and ask Him to control our lives, then He will.


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    Don't be! The key is repentance - which is really a recognition of one's limitations.
     

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