The bible vets science ~

Why are there so many correlations between the bible and science? The bible claims the universe began science claimed it didn’t begin, but not until the 70’s did science fully agree with the big bang theory which states the universe began at some point. Then there is the dark energy and the gravity repelling dark mass. (eek! DM and DE violates every rule of physics!) The bible tells us that God resides in a dark cloud. That is just a couple of the similarities, there are more. Discuss?

Reverent Scripture 1 kings 8 12
thick darkness.Parallel Verses
New International Version
Then Solomon said, "The LORD has said that he would dwell in a dark
Cloud.

New Living Translation
Then Solomon prayed, "O LORD, you have said that you would live in a thick cloud of darkness.


Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In seven days? Not according to the way I read the bible…

Psalm 90:4 says: "For a thousand years are in your sight as a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.."

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The Bible does not go into much detail about the creation of everything so there really is not enough information to say that science and the Bible do not fit together perfectly well.

I highly doubt the creation of the universe is fully explained in the couple of paragraphs we have in the Bible that talks about it lol.

I am also sure that our scientific understanding of it is still in its infancy.

 

Primarily because Christians are so accustomed to "Bending" the Bible(s) to fit their beliefs, they have no problem using creative imagination to warp it to fit science as well.

 

because that book is a damned cypher. it's whatever you want it to be. fancy a dabble in Satanism? I'm sure you can find justification in the bible if you 'interpret' it right. a little Wicca before dinner? that's in there too, you just have to have 'understanding'.

 

The bible reads exactly as you would expect a book to read that was written by people limited by the primitive science of thousands of years ago. They had no idea what was going on, they just made it all up. That's why it's vague, and usually just wrong if you try to interpret it without that heavy helping of "it's not meant to be taken literally". I'm told that Genesis is NOT one of the parts of the bible that can be taken literally word for word however. That one part of Leviticus on the other hand...

Seems to me that if I was a deity, I'd want to get the factual parts right in my brochure so that people later on didn't arrive at the conclusion that the bible reads exactly as you would expect a book to read that was written by people limited by the primitive science of thousands of years ago.

 

The Bible's purpose is not to explain the creation of the universe, it are the non-believers who push that issue. They tell us that since the Bible doesn't explain it that God must not exist but they are missing the point. God is very, very clear about what he wants us to do and understanding how the universe popped into existence is not on the top of his list.

Knowing that fact is not going to make you a Christian or go to Heaven.

Its interesting how non-believers never try to find fault with the main point of the Bible, which is giving your heart to Jesus, because they can't find any so they have to rely on stuff like the poor explanation of the creation of man or revelations or something.

It is really a desperate attempt on their part to find fault.

 

wow ... misfire

you do know that a huge number of Christians resort to the old "but atheism has no way of explaining how it all started" on a regular basis, as though it's the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF ALL TIME? it's us (atheists) who keep responding with 'we don't know, but we don't sweat it like you do. we're OKAY with not knowing'. According to your comment above (my bolding), atheists are adhering to god's instructions - not to concern ourselves with this - better than most Christians.

what on earth is there to say about 'give your heart to jesus'? it's like saying 'I love puppies because they're cute and fluffy'. the only possible response is 'o ... kay'. it's merely a little ejaculate resulting from mental masturbation. it's not even a position (which can be debated against).

finally, your bible is chock full of 'faults'. all we have to do to find one is open the book.

 

but none of 'em have a clue who is actually entitled or qualified to do so, if asked. they only know who ISN'T qualified and entitled to do so. that'd be, everyone who isn't them, or their own church fathers. Yahweh himself, should he visit tomorrow and inspire a worth re-write, would be dismissed out of hand no matter who's church the receiver belonged to.

yet .. mysteriously, every Christian is entitled to interpret the book as they see fit. and they see fit to interpret yahweh in a way that makes him pretty much exactly like themselves, with the addition of a few miracles to shore up the justification for it all.

 

The Church is full of people who are not true Christians you know. If you meet someone who believes that understanding of the universe is at all important then you have yourself one of them. Odds are he will be marching right alongside of you on your way to hell.

 

Actually most of us non believers pretty much ignore the Bible till some believer makes a silly statement like " the Bible vets science"

 

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/vishnu.asp

You must be referring to this older version.

 

Um, the thread starter is a believer, not an unbeliever.

 

There you go again. Pretending you are God and predicting who is and isn't going to hell.

 

I do not need to predict, just evaluate the evidence.

You are either doing the things God says you must do in order to get to Heaven or you are not.

There is no prediction required.

 

Salvation by "works"???

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Salvation by "works"???

 

One would hope you realize that the vast majority of posters here that try to use the bible(s) to explain the creation of our universe, are Christians that you just said are non believers. As usual we have one Christian saying other Christians are not Christian....are there actually any "Real" Christians out there?

 

Well yes, the Bible says there are certain steps you have to do in order to get to Heaven, how else did you think this happens?

Actually it is only one thing you have to do so I am not sure that "works" is the appropriate word.

 

The bible is like reading a horoscope the night of. Read the bible long after it was written and you could probably find some similarities to the bible and history if you want the connection to be there. People that believe in bible code are a perfect example of manipulating the text in the bible to mean some historical event.

 

And I get the idea you're going to be right there with us. Probably trying another "No True Scotsman" fallacy to explain how god made this mistake. Meanwhile all the scientists et al who made all our lives infinitely better through knowing and appreciating the beauty of God's world will wave to us as they depart for higher regions.

You sound like you'd make a good member of the Taliban, if you followed Islam instead of Christianity. You believe in a simplistic heaven/hell thing and a god far more ferocious with his enemies than loving with his followers. Unfortunately, that's not Chrisitanity

 

As long as people like yourself get to go to heaven instead of hell...I think I would prefer to burn in the pit.

 

It really is an act of desperation to reach into an entirely separate work of literature and seize on a passage like that to try and alter the very clear meaning of another piece of literature. It speaks of days, complete with day/night cycles. It is a creation fable from an age long before humans knew the age of the earth. Hey, we still didn't have the age of the earth or of the universe settled yet in the early twencen! A great deal of modern science is very modern indeed.

Face facts: You're mortal. You won't be resurrected into a magical place with Jesus and Santa Claus. Accept this and you can look at the bible for what it truly is: a hodgepodge of Semitic religious myths and fables that was later compiled and edited by the Romans to craft a new imperial religion.

 

And playing God is one thing one is not to do. I guess we'll all be seeing you for eternity.

 

Not playing God, just repeating what He has said.

Go argue with him if it bothers you.

 

Perhaps you can show where God said anyone who discusses how the universe was created and tries to figure it out goes to hell?
If not, you're just playing God, and is a no no in your book.

 

I never stated that, you are stating that.

I said God has told us what we need to do to get to Heaven and understand creation is not one of them.

It simply does not matter how the universe was created and those that focus on that as part of their salvation are wrong.

It may be fun to academically discuss it but outside of that it is irrelevant.