The Bible

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/ab...t-is-the-universe-expanding-into-intermediate

 

From the article:
"The current theories of the universe, however, tell us that this is not the picture we should have in mind at all. Instead, the galaxies are in some sense stationary - they do not move through space the way that a ball moves through the air. The galaxies simply sit there. However, as time goes on, the space between the galaxies "stretches", sort of like what happens when you take a sheet of rubber and pull at it on both ends. Although the galaxies haven't moved through space at all, they get farther away from each other as time goes on because the space in between them has been stretched."

"My favorite analogy, though, involves imagining the universe as a gigantic blob of dough. Embedded in the dough are a bunch of raisins, spread throughout. The dough represents space, and the raisins represent the galaxies. We have no idea how big the dough is at this point - all we know is that it is very big, and we, sitting on some raisin somewhere inside it, are so far away from the "edge" that the edge can't possibly have any effect on us or on what we see.

"Now, someone puts the dough in the oven and it begins to expand. The raisins move apart from each other, but relative to the dough they don't move at all - the same particles of dough that start off near a particular raisin will always be next to that raisin. That is what I meant when I said that the galaxies aren't really moving through space as the universe expands - here, the raisins aren't moving through the dough, but the distance between the raisins is still getting larger."

Let's note: "The dough represents space" "but relative to the dough they (raisins/galaxies) don't move at all "

Unlike dough, space is "nothing". So speaking of moving "relative to nothing" is meaningless. The analogy fails.

Think of it this way even though this whole conversation is so far off-topic. -or is it? .... Some scientific text I once read said something I never forgot, and that is that before the Big Bang there was nothing.... no space, no distance, etc. It said that the explanation of that is that for there to be "space", there has to be at least two things with distance between them and that distance represents, or is, space. So as soon as the B.B. began and the first two particles emerged, space (distance) was created.

So to say that the raisins (galaxies) do not move "relative" to the dough (space), is a nonsense statement. It is meaningless. No valid meaning can be assigned nor derived from it.

But what is explained is that the distance of one galaxy to another increased. And that sounds like movement to me. Movement changes (or can change) distance. It is acknowledged that the distance changes or increased. How is that not movement relative to each other?

 

I didn't read it the way you did but I'm not into the science of the thing. All I do know is that we do not know what is at the edge of the Universe. It is all speculation. We've never been there, and are unlikely to do so. There seems to be things in the universe that do not conform to physics as we know it.

In 1900, the British physicist Lord Kelvin is said to have pronounced: "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement." Within three decades, quantum mechanics and Einstein's theory of relativity had revolutionized the field. Today, no physicist would dare assert that our physical knowledge of the universe is near completion. To the contrary, each new discovery seems to unlock a Pandora's box of even bigger, even deeper physics questions. These are our picks for the most profound open questions of all.

https://www.livescience.com/34052-unsolved-mysteries-physics.html

 

That's news to me.

 

As I said, one man's opinion on something the Bible isn't clear about. The exact number of years has nothing to do with the main theme of the Bible, i.e. God's plan to redeem a fallen world through faith in Christ's atoning death on the cross.

 

So...God made a Universe and world, let it fall, made a son that is also him, then had him killed so his fallen world could be fixed?

Why didn't he just fix it or not let it fall in the first place?

 

Either of those options would mean we don't have free will. You wouldn't want a God who forced you to love Him, and such forced love wouldn't mean much to Him. His justice must be satisfied. What happened is as if a judge announced a guilty sentence, then paid the fine.

 

Okay...then why am I getting thrown into the burning pit for using my free will? I'm thinking he didn't quite think all this through.

 

https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/flood-legends/flood-legends/

Simply shows how one original story is copied by future civilisations. Flood stories existed long before the Biblical story. If you study ancient civilisations most of the Mosaic Laws are taken from earlier or contemporary civilisations. Floods have occurred for millions of years throughout areas of the world. Thys the many stories.

Jesus believed many things, not because he was the Son of God, but because he had been taught what to believe (the Tanakh) from the age of 5 through to 12/13 years. Rather like people who have been indoctrinated by the church down 2 millenia.

NO. Jews weren't illiterate. They had a basic education to enable them to read and write. How do you think Jesus was so erudite when before the Rabbi's in the Temple when he was 12. He had to be. At this age he was declared an adult. He was an intelligent youth who became a great Jewish preacher.

So god had to redeem the people he had created?

Does that include these people. An, Enlil, Enki and Ninhursanga create the black-headed people Sumerian myth. Or the many other people created by various gods.

 

So man had to fall to allow God to show his love to man. And then condemn those who don't return that love. That's hardly freewill. Love me, or else.

 

You know why some people claim that the Earth is 6,000 years old? It is because they believe the ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale in the Bible. That is the only reason. And according to the Jewish calendar it is the year 5779, measured from the start of creation. Maybe it made sense when people were as stupid as rocks but if people aren't intelligent today they are too stupid to live.

 

The sole purpose of all of the biblical stories is to teach complete obedience and total loyalty to the Boss. All of the stories are based on one or more of the ethnocentric Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:11-28. The miracles are based on Exodus 34:10. Con men have been using religion for eons to enrich themselves and to gain power and status at the expense of their superstitious buddies. It is a great way to get out of doing work and living off of the labor of others.

 

So since there’s no pain, suffering, or evil in heaven does that also mean there’s no free will? Why not just skip this whole earth part and just go straight to the heaven part. Amusement?

 

A jury announces a guilty sentence, the Judge merely decides the punishment according to the Law.

 

One of my fave movie lines "Everybody wanna go heaven - Nobody wanna get dead"

 

Well if a black hole does not consist of atoms or molecules then it must consist of nothing. Maybe black holes are cosmic deities?

 

The Bible says that we do not have free will. Are you saying the Bible is a lie?

 

Heh. I knew it. Ok let's look at it, and you can confirm this with Google searches I'm sure.

As matter is compressed, it heats up. (If you want proof of this I can offer specific info)

In space, we're talking about huge amounts of matter, a large portion of which is often gasses, mostly hydrogen. And since it's a huge amount, it builds and builds until it's own weight compresses it so much that hydrogen first becomes a liquid, and then a semi-solid. But since matter is mostly empty space, solid iron can be compressed smaller and smaller when you have trillions to the trillionth power of tons of pressure. (One model of matter says that if a basketball were to represent the nucleus of an atom of matter in Los Angeles, its nearest electron orbit would be a baseball in NYC with nothing in between.)

As te matter is compressed with such force, the temperature rises to millions of degrees. And the energy of that temperature tears the electrons from the nuclei of molecules (this is called "plasma"), and the neutrons from the positrons of the nucleus. So it ends up as a soup of atomic particles, and this is a type of energy. So the matter at the core of a black hole is reduced to energy.

With continuing compression caused by the continuing accumulation of matter weighing down on the accumulation, the particles' own repelling forces are overwhelmed and they are forced together. Consequently, the entire mass of a galaxy can be compressed down to a single point, maybe the size of a mustard seed, but no one really knows. Higher mathematics says this is what happens.

So while a singularity "black hole" does not consist of atoms or molecules, it does consist of energy, and that compacted energy eventually seems to reach a "tipping point" at which it explodes with a force that is almost impossible to imagine or to overstate.

https://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_blackholes_event.html

Does that help?

 

Even angels think that heaven sucks.

 

Two things cant occupy the same space.

 

Right. But to what do you refer?

 

None of that is true.

 

Okay..then the Bible(s) and most Christians are dishonest...that does make more sense.

 

One day I will buy a cheap paperback copy of the Bible and take a black marker and blot out all the parts of the Bible I don't like. Thomas Jefferson did it. The first parts to get scrapped are Noah's Ark, Onan spilling of his seed and the Balaam's donkey. There are more but those would be the ones I find most objectionable.

The paper must be thick so the ink does not seep over to the other page.

 

I'll send you a spare pen. On second thoughts it will have to be a pencil.