The Big Lie is (unfortunately) winning

Um, good, if it could be bloodless. Texas and California are too culturally incompatible to be in the same country.

It's a fair point that it was required for the government to form at all though, and back then the states really did need to come together to avoid being some other country's bitch/colony.

 

(Embolden text by me)

I agree 100%. I think a state should have the right to secede however the Federal government mystically made it illegal.

 

No it's a matter of values. I do not value the rights of states. States aren't people. Neither are corporations. I value the rights of actual people. If we want the benefits of democratic processes, we ought to only deviate from that for logical reasons. Republicans just like the senate because it gives them an unfair advantage. They can have more power with less support, because sparsely populated wildnerness is treated the same as an area packed with people based upon where lines were drawn hundreds of years ago.

 

Sates do not have rihts...and that includes the United States too. Only people have rights.

This assigning of human properties to things that are not human must stop, especially corporate personhood.

 

We had four solid years of the left questioning the integrity of our elections.

 

The democrats are a big reason as to why there is less confidence in the system. For starters, they are constantly trying to lower the standards of security and integrity. They cry and scream when signature verification is enforced, when IDs are required. They all claim it's 'voter restriction'...

not to mention, the COVID impacted election process also created uncertainty, local political officials changed rules w/o going through state legislature (PA as an example), as constitution prescribes?

Why would i be 100% confident in election process when democrats are CONSTANTLY and OPENLY trying to stop people from needing to have IDs, prefer mail in ballots vs in person and want lax signature verification processes? Going around state legislature to change rules last minute doesn't help

So Trump basically weaponizes the democrats' inability to pursue the most secure elections.

If the democrats would be on board with strict signature verification processes, tried to help people get IDs (it's really not that hard), didn't change rules in democratic controlled counties by going around state legislature, then Trump wouldn't be able to claim fraud and have some ammo to back it up.

To be perfectly honest, i don't mind the lack of confidence, maybe it will result in an overhaul of the system. We need secure elections, everyone should have an ID, signatures need to be verified... counts need to be managed efficiently. Why is it that in democratic controlled areas, it's always a f mess? COUNTS seem to take forever... all sorts of questions arise when counts seem to be inefficiently managed

 

Actually, from what I can recall, they started in 2000, and each presidential election, if they didn't win, it was because the other side stole it; and now when the Republicans questions the 2020 election, which was unprecedented in its barrenness of voter integrity regulation, including the limitation of absentee voting, which does increase voter fraud, the Democrats quote Adolf Hitler, calling it the big lie, even though, as I've pointed out numerous times on this forum, that term was coined by Adolf Hitler, and used against the Jews.

 

Yep. Ever since the algore lost.

 

Let's see the timeline:

2000
Democrats: Republicans stole the election! The Supreme Court, especially Scalia, decided the presidency!

2004
Democrats: Republicans stole the election! Diebold machines were rigged!

2008, 2012
Democrats: Democracy prevails!

2016
Democrats: Russians stole the election for Trump! Trump colluded with Russia! We must have a special counsel investigation!

2020
Democrats: Democracy prevailed! Anyone questioning the results of the election is attacking our democracy! It's the big lie! Only insurrectionist would question the integrity of elections. Republicans are attacking our institutions!

 

Former President Donald Trump's "big lie" — constructed with unfounded and baseless claims of fraud in the 2020 election — has "metastasized" beyond the presidency and begun infecting lower-level Republican campaigns ahead of midterms, argues Politico.
https://news.yahoo.com/big-lie-becoming-republicans-midterm-192753271.html
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This is 2021. And the big lie in 2021 refers to the 2X impeached party fraudulently claiming the election was stolen.
the 2X impeached has been crying voter fraud since 2015 in case he lost back then. Even tried to prove it after the 2016 election and failed then also.

 

Looks right.

Want to go back to Reagan?

 

SILLY GAMING IN THE SENATE

What I believe is that the Senate was a two-seat political "operation" and the HofR the opposite - that is, representation based-upon-head-count.

The Rabid-Right is simply using the Senate to stop legislation it does not want. They have had this Political Objective in the Senate for a great long time. And it it will do that job for as long as the American voters want the Replicants to have (almost) a majority there.

The Replicants employ the VP for tie-breaking votes in the Senate, which has been 50/50 for a while now. Pence, the last VP before Biden got elected, used his vote to become the VP to employ his vote to break 50/50 stagnation (no winner in the vote for passage of a law). He did it 13-times, which shows to what extent the Replicants will manipulate the Senate to get their way in voting.

And nothing will change until the American voter wakes up to the stagnation in the Senate - though the Replicants no longer have a VP to jump-in a cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate.

Games politicians play in LaLaLand on the Potomac ... due to the American voter who will not break the 50/50 evenness between to the two-sides. Yes, for now, a Dem-VP will jump-in and break-the-tie in the Senate should it happen. So, Biden is turning the table on the Replicants, which is clearly what the Replicants deserve!

See the silly-games that go on in LaLaLand on the Potomac? And, yes, they are getting Good Money to play those games! The rank-and-file salary in both the Senate and the HofR is $174,000 annually ... !

 

Man, facts. These democrats, they just project.

 

Veracity is a requirement, but an argument it does not make.

Here's some more recent facts.

Trump Angling To Put In Power Election Officials Who Could Twist Vote For Him In 2024 (yahoo.com)

No Democrat or Republican prior to Trump pressured officials to break the law, so those fact of yours are out of their league as an argument.

 

Trump didn't do it either. Quite the opposite.

 

This person gets the facts from cnn, msnbc, ny times... so..

 

lies, not facts.. and twisted lies

 

Paper ballots should be sent to all eligible voters in every state like in Colorado and Oregon. Signatures should be replaced by thumbprints. That will stop the shenanigans at precincts that are common in backwoods counties usually totally controlled by sleazy Republicans and their crooked bought and paid for county officials. Out there cattle and livestock vote. It would also stop the voter intimidation tactics in large cities organized by the GOP leadership. Republicans have been promoting mail in ballot systems for decades. Once they knew the Democrats were going to use the same tactic because of the pandemic the GOP knew they were in trouble and started screaming bloody murder. Lindsay Graham even said that if they let inner city folks vote by mail the Republican Party would never win another election except in counties with more cows, goats, pigs and sheep than people. Damn right!!

 

VEP TURNOUT RATES

Got what? Because hat you need is good-sense and not sarcasm in this "debate forum". Sarcasm is the American cop-out for disinterested people. And disinterested individuals have very little sense of duty.

All depends upon what is meant by equal-representation. If everybody votes, yes, that is equal-representation. But, our turn-out rate has dampened considerably over time:

Barely half the nation votes in either presidential or mid-term elections. Which, to my mind, is a damn-fine reason to make the not-voting a public-offense at least in Federal elections.

I suppose you might think, "Oh, what the hell! That's just "normal".) Yes, for lack of civic-duty, it IS NORMAL.

PS: Seems (from the above chart) that something spiked the turnout rate for the last Midterm Election. I wonder why.

 

Got nothing.

Shall I tell you where to put it ...

 

You’re taking it personally, because your flawed reasoning amounts to nothing more than power grabbing bullshit. You can put that anywhere you want.

 

We don't want entirely democratic processes. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. If we the people can vote for anything than 51% of us vote to take whatever the other 49% have.

 

Wow, that was lazy of you.

 

Not at all. It's been discussed to death for almost a year. My advice is sound.

 

ID VOTING

We need to do something, and that something is that we must create Identity-Data-Files (from birth) - which exist in the EU but not in the US. (Bllod sequence makes for a pretty good identifier.)

This must be changed for voting - meaning identification must be determined by a birth-certificate (if born in the US) that contains physical-data that identify the person. And a Voter Identity "passport" that allows entry to the voting booth. It would require the same adeptness we employ today on the Internet, which is mastered by a great many. But, if some people need help, such assistance can be personalized..

That could be the basis for going to a voting-booth in America, opening your file (by means of an identity procedure) and voting in a national election. The methodology also could be copied at a state and city/town level and implemented there as well.

It's not difficult to do with today's data-technology - and the need to keep the data-base solidly protected can be accomplished as well also.

The files "open" to a voter only when they have provided identification - which could be a Voter ID given to them. They open the sequence with a code-of-their making but also the verification of blood-type that is genetically personal. Once verified as a bonafide voter, the ballot opens and the voter votes by clicking upon their candidate-for-office preferences.

Or something like that - it is not very difficult to program. It is a lot more difficult to protect the information-on-file from illegal entry. But, I know facturaly, that that sort of competence exists in the US ...