The "black agenda"

No, Dems are not giving up on Hispanics, so the silence is a mystery. If Biden is elected, then we'll have more of an open-border immigration system again next year and most Hispanic immigrants will get an easy path to citizenship and voting rights. Since native-born blacks and whites are producing children at lower than replacement rates, the future for Democrats to target as "oppressed" really is "brown" since immigrants are not so predisposed to the convenience of birth control and abortion.

This year, is likely to be the final election where Democrats are reliant on maintaining 85-90% of the black vote, so maybe that's it. By 2024, Latinos will represent a larger voting block than blacks. Dems, are perhaps safely assuming, they'll maintain 66-67% of the Hispanic vote without specific marketing....or more likely, Biden will come in with strong "immigrant/citizenship play" between now and November. Non-citizens just don't do anything for their chances of winning this election, but the black vote is absolutely critical.

 

Since the George Floyd death, I did a deep dive into race issues in this country, by looking at what black thought leaders have to say about the issue. While blacks of every political leaning will say that "racists" exist in America (and always will), the mature black thinkers of today do blame any existant systemic racism on the Democrats' paternalistic welfare programs. We can and should invest in worthy projects which, as you say, will restore the independence and dignity blacks should have started to gain in 1964-65.

I have a lot of respect for what Glenn Loury has to offer on how we can repair race relations, finally, in this country and get everyone on the same footing. Suggesting that "systemic white supremacy" is the reason blacks are doing disproportionately more poorly than everyone else is not only the wrong answer, but it's flippant and very condescending toward the black community.

https://twitter.com/GlennLoury

 

The new demographic categories occurred quite a few years ago, and in my opinion, it was done that way so the data can be skewed. For example, when someone wants to make it seem that a particular community is less than diverse, the Hispanics can be lumped in with the whites and, for example, it can be said "That community is evil and intolerant, they are 90% white - which is racist!" But in reality, the community is actually 50% white, 40% Hispanic, and 10% black. And there are plenty of other less-than-scrupulous ways to misrepresent the facts just by the way the inclusions are made.

 

Communists believe in supply-side economics, so do Republicans.
So what is the point of American-hating bigots to suggest fight for equal rights in this country equates with Marxism?

 

Well, I see this has degenerated into another Black Man bad thread. Thanks Carnell !!!

 

What part of trickle-down economics confuses you? Right-wing socialists believe in redistributing wealth from the middle class and the poor to the rich and let as little as possible trickle-down.

 

There will always be individual racism in both blacks and whites. We are not a racist country and that's what counts. The people in the USA elected a black president -- twice. Get real.

 

I believe it was Dr. Loury who described today's tension as a battle for solutions between the Cultural Marxists and the Humanists.

The Cultural Marxists are of the opinion that because there are remnants of racism in the country, we should burn everything down, erase history, religion, and all other vestiges of an "evil" past, and start from scratch where all rules and laws are fundamentally changed from the ashes up.

The Humanist approach to race relations falls more in line with Civil Rights hero, Martin Luther King, Jr's thinking. Under the Humanist approach we continue to build toward a more promising future for all, where all men, as members of the human race, are judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin.

The following is a translated quote from a French article by Kamel Daoud, titled L’Occident est imparfait et à parfaire, il n’est pas à détruire (Translated title: The West is imperfect and to be perfected, it is not to be destroyed):
https://www.lemonde.fr/idees/articl...ire-il-n-est-pas-a-detruire_6043684_3232.html

"Antiracism is a just fight. It must not become an act of intellectual vandalism or disorder in this fragile world. Its purpose is a better future, not a blinding past."

 

I see nothing wrong with removing Confederate statues and flags for state house lawns and the center of towns that do not want them there

long past time to send them to a historical site for statues or something, I even think Trump could volunteer to house them at his golf courses

the fascists on the right want to have another civil war as they think they might win if given another chance

those that fight to keep the statues say but it will make us forget history... I say they already forgot what the statues stood for

 

People who contributed to the advancement of our country deserve to be recognized, however flawed they were as human beings by today's standards. American slave owners were not doing anything that was out of the norm at that particular point in time. Slavery was a global phenomena.

No one wants to have another civil war, except perhaps for a handful of agitators who do not appear to be "fascists on the right". Shake my head at the idiocy of some of today's radicals.

CHAZ set up a completely segregated "BlackOut Area" where only black people were allowed to cross the line and use the space. It was being guarded by white people who screened people to make sure they were black enough to enter. How stupid, and racist, is that going to seem 5,10, or 400 years from now? Well, at least they haven't time to build any commemorative statues of this hysteric historic event, so perhaps that's a moot point. LOL

 

not on state house lawns, move them to a historical site for racist statues, let them have their own building telling of their history, so people never forget

 

The Museum of Racist Statues on a different historical site. LOL I don't think that anyone involved is mature enough to have thought this whole thing through.

 

they need to be removed from the center of towns and state house lawns, yes, put them in a historic site like the Trump Presidential library or something

no one cares if they exist as long as they are not on state house lawns or in the center of towns - as long as they are put in a site that is dedicated just to our racist past, away from the public view, have at it - the right can still go see them if they start to forget our past, get a guided tour to remind them of just what that past was

 

~ Ben Carson agrees. I hope he is successful.

~ Forget ? Most people complaining don't even know who these people are or what they did ! I doubt they even care. It's just an opportunity to vent and be violent.

 

I think some, perhaps many, would disagree with your view that "no one cares if they exist", since it's fairly apparent that the actions which have been taken are to destroy the statues, not to move the statues.

If the desire of the rioters were that's it's "okay" with moving the statues then someone who have an adult-type of rational conversation with people in charge of those centers of towns and state house lawns. A plan could be made to quickly build a, what did you call it? Oh yeah, they could take time to build a site specifically "dedicated just to our racist past, away from the public". Are you even listening to yourself?

 

Right. These people don't know a "confederate" from military figures who defeated the confederacy, like Grant. They defaced a monument to the 54th Massachusetts Infantry, the all black volunteer regiment of the Union Army. Sheesh. Most of these people are completely illiterate when it comes to history. A statue of Matthias Baldwin was attacked in Philadelphia. Baldwin was an abolitionist who fought for black voting rights and provided financial support for the education of black children.

Black lives matter, my a$$. These people who are mindlessly destroying statues are flat-out anarchists. They may (or may not) be separate from the actual black lives matter protesters, but they are "ruining the gig". They've completely lost the plot.

 

the actions are cause people refused to move them, if the right wants to keep their racist statues safe, put them in a museum dedicated to racist history

 

agree, they just see them as supporting racism and that is all they care about.... on both sides, just one supports that and the other does not

 

Got it. Thanks for your opinion.

 

~ My opinion of course does not reflect on our Political Forum guests or anyone in general : These folks doing destruction, looting and tresspass and do not need to protest , they need a psychiatrist and therapy .

{ A history lesson may help too }

~ One side accepts reality and history - the other wants to hide it and stay angry.

 

At this point, they're starting to look like utter fools and total morons. I know there are multiple activist groups involved and most of them are "leaderless" comrades (Marxists). The supposed unity and partnership between groups is was supporting "black lives". But with no cohesive leadership, they are splaying out in all directions. No one has any idea any more whether they are "protesting" for police reforms, better standards in America for blacks only (or black and gays, trans, etc.), America-hating anarchists, or what the heck the point is. The objective now appears to be total chaos. Their rudderless ship is about to sink with very little to show for all the trouble. The respect and support which was there early in the protests is vaporizing fast.

 

Ignorance can be undone with education. No one has any empathy for stupid....

 

I sure am proud of anyone that isn't afraid to label a Marxist a Marxist.....that goes for you Lone Star Gal!

 

The mostly liberal centrists teaching in other university departments were watching what was going on with the "young and crazy kids" who were enrolled in the "Grievance Studies" department for the last several years. They thought that the erecting of tiny "free speech zones", huge "safe space areas" and successful protests to keep conservative speakers off campus was "just a phase" and that these kids would grow out of it once they graduated, got jobs in the real world off campus, and were forced to act like adults. More and more, those "crazy kids" started attacking the classical liberal professors in other departments for any defense of free speech or other "dissent". The liberals were being accused of being "racists" and "conservatives", too. Today, many have been fired or censured, or have been fired or forced to resign.

Just in the last month, they are seeing what these "crazy college kids" are doing now that they're out of college. They're burning down buildings and destroying history because "cancelling people" and artifacts with impunity is powerful. Now they don't know what to do with the "woke" 25-year old Marxists who are uneducated and cannot be reasoned with. The "crazy kids" did not stop with conservatives. They'll go after anyone who disagrees with their erratic and changeable views.