The blame lies with Hamas, not Israel

MGB ROADSTER · Mar 31, 2018

For almost 70 years now that the Arab world keeps you as "refugees." No, it's not because of Israel. It's because this is what the leaders of the Arab world wanted. They had an opportunity to establish an Arab state in 1947, but they said "No" and led you to the Nakba. They had decades to rehabilitate the refugees, but they didn't want to. There was another opportunity to resolve the refugee problem with Clinton's peace initiative and other initiatives later on. But your leaders kept saying no.
Allow us to remind you that you were not the only one in the world to suffer a "Nakba." Tens of millions were uprooted from their places of birth after the First and Second World Wars. Close to a million Jews were also expelled or had to flee from Arab countries. Many of them had their property taken and confiscated. They arrived in Israel as refugees. It wasn't easy for them at first, as it hasn't been easy for tens of millions others. But none of those tens of millions is a refugee anymore. Only you. Anyone with eyes knows the blame lies with your leaders. They didn't want to solve the problem, and you're paying the price.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5212765,00.html

DennisTate · Apr 9, 2018

To at least some degree.....
would you say that Russia and the Islamic world maneuvering the Palestinians
into serving as their pawns.........
suicidal pawns at that........

... might have something to do with the evidence that the Palestinians are partly descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsvi_Misinai

Hebrew origin[edit]
Background[edit]
Tsvi Misinai claims that the majority of the Palestinian people—including those with Israeli citizenship or residency, known variously as Arab citizens of Israel, Arab Israelis, Israeli Arabs, including the Bedouin Arabs of Israel—are descendants of the ancient Hebrews, as most of the world's Jewish ethnic divisions are.[6] Furthermore, he claims that at least half of them are quietly aware of this fact.[7]

According to Misinai, unlike the ancestors of the modern day Jews who were city dwellers to a large extent, the Hebrew ancestors of the Palestinians were rural dwellers, and were allowed to remain in the land of Israel to work the land and supply Rome with grain and olive oil.[5]

Misinai states the topic of Hebrew origin was spoken of openly by Palestinians until relatively recent history, much like the Egyptians or Lebanese are aware of their origins to the ancient Egyptians and Phoenicians respectively (even if this topic arouses the passions of those wishing to stress or de-emphasise it).[8]

As with other "Arabs" whose local indigenous non-Arab origins became relegated issues over time, the Hebrew origin of Palestinians also became a relegated issue over time, but for the Palestinians. However, the additional emergence of Zionism in the early 19th century presented for the Palestinians a competing national interest not similarly encountered by other "Arabs". Arab nationalism would thus serve as a counter-force vis-à-vis Zionism. Thus, the topic of origin became admonished. Then, the establishment of modern Israel by world Jewry (having transpired to the detriment of the Palestinians) transformed the topic of Hebrew origin into a blemish of liability, ultimately becoming the object of outright hostility.[8
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DennisTate · Apr 9, 2018

MGB ROADSTER said: ↑

For almost 70 years now that the Arab world keeps you as "refugees." No, it's not because of Israel. It's because this is what the leaders of the Arab world wanted. They had an opportunity to establish an Arab state in 1947, but they said "No" and led you to the Nakba. They had decades to rehabilitate the refugees, but they didn't want to. There was another opportunity to resolve the refugee problem with Clinton's peace initiative and other initiatives later on. But your leaders kept saying no.
Allow us to remind you that you were not the only one in the world to suffer a "Nakba." Tens of millions were uprooted from their places of birth after the First and Second World Wars. Close to a million Jews were also expelled or had to flee from Arab countries. Many of them had their property taken and confiscated. They arrived in Israel as refugees. It wasn't easy for them at first, as it hasn't been easy for tens of millions others. But none of those tens of millions is a refugee anymore. Only you. Anyone with eyes knows the blame lies with your leaders. They didn't want to solve the problem, and you're paying the price.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5212765,00.html
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It sure does seem to me that the Russians have seriously played the Palestinians..........
by bribing Arafat.

http://www.tldm.org/News9/RussianInfluenceOnMideast.htm

In a August 24, 2006 article entitled, "Russian Footprints", Ion Mihai Pacepa writes:

By the end of the 1960s, the KGB was deeply involved in mass terrorism against Jews, carried out by various Palestinian client organizations. Here are some terrorist actions for which the KGB took credit while I was still in Romania: November 1969, armed attack on the El Al office in Athens, leaving 1 dead and 14 wounded; May 30, 1972, Ben Gurion Airport attack, leaving 22 dead and 76 wounded; December 1974, Tel Aviv movie theater bomb, leaving 2 dead and 66 wounded; March 1975, attack on a Tel Aviv hotel, leaving 25 dead and 6 wounded; May 1975, Jerusalem bomb, leaving 1 dead and 3 wounded; July 4, 1975, bomb in Zion Square, Jerusalem, leaving 15 dead and 62 wounded; April 1978, Brussels airport attack, leaving 12 wounded; May 1978, attack on an El Al plane in Paris, leaving 12 wounded. ... In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov told me, a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States. No one within the American/Zionist sphere of influence should any longer feel safe.

1970 - Yasser Arafat, the father of modern terrorism:

In 1970 the Kremlin became interested in an obscure Arab construction engineer and collector of racecars, named Rahman al-Qudwa. Evidence shows, contrary to later claims, that this "construction engineer" was an Egyptian, born in Cairo during the summer of 1929. Rahman graduated from the University of Cairo and served as an officer in the Egyptian Army during the 1956 Suez campaign. Later he set up a business in Kuwait and made a fortune. He then entered politics, founding a hopelessly small terrorist organization.... According to the former head of Romanian intelligence, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, one of the highest ranking communist defectors of all time, Rahman al-Qudwa became an important political ally of the communist bloc following the death of Egypt's president, Gamal Abdul Nasser, in 1970. Gen. Pacepa's account of Rahman's intimate relations with the communist bloc is related in a book entitled "Red Horizons."... Rahman al-Qudwa is better known as Yasser Arafat, the chairman of the PLO since 1968 and the president of the Palestinian Authority -- which is now at war with Israel. According to Gen. Pacepa's account, communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu ordered his people to bring Arafat over to Romania. In late 1970 the chief of Romanian intelligence in Egypt, Gen. Constantine Munteanu, arrived in Bucharest with Arafat in tow. Munteanu had gathered an extensive file on Arafat, which characterized the PLO leader as "so much cleverness, blood, and filth all together in one man." Pacepa says that this was Munteanu's "standard definition of Arafat."
Given Gen. Munteanu's extensive file, Arafat could not exactly refuse the communist's "friendly" overtures. There is little question that Arafat is fanatically devoted to destroying Israel, and would sell his soul to the devil to gain his devilish ends. Therefore, a compact between Arafat and the Soviet Union via communist Romania was not something that violated any sacred Islamic rule in Arafat's heart. Arafat is no Moslem. His fanaticism is completely secular. But since he operates within the Islamic world, he must sometimes appear as a would-be Muslim liberator. (“Kremlin puppets and how they work,” J.R. Nyquist, October 19, 2000) (read also Our Lady of the Roses prophecy about one who would come out of Egypt...)

1972 - According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, “In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov … [said], a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon … against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.”

1973 - Soviet statements and preparations for an attack against Israel led the Pentagon to order U.S. nuclear forces to the highest state of peacetime readiness. The Joint Chiefs of Staff ordered the 82nd Airborne Division to prepare to head to the Middle East, and additional U.S. naval forces -- including American aircraft carriers -- moved into the Mediterranean, all out of a real and rising concern that the Soviets were about to make an unprecedented military move against Israel.

1982 - Israeli forces battling PLO terrorists in southern Lebanon unexpectedly uncovered a secret but massive cache of Soviet weaponry in deep underground cellars and tunnels. The storehouses contained some 4,000 tons of ammunition, 144 armored vehicles and tanks, 12,500 pieces of small arms, and 515 heavy weapons. Then-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin said that the Russians had prepositioned enough weapons to "equip not five brigades, but five or six [Soviet] divisions," adding that "we shall need literally thousands of trucks to evacuate these weapons from Lebanon."

June, 1982 - Russia organizes international terrorist conference: In June of 1982, two hundred forty organizations of eighty countries met in Tripoli for the International Conference of the World Center Resistance to Imperialism, Zionism, Racism, Reaction, and Fascism. The meeting was organized by the Soviet Union and Colonel Qaddafi and resulted in the forming of a committee ultimately consisting of Libya, Cuba, Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Their goal was the establishment of international terrorist training programs to prepare their revolutionaries for the battle against the oppressors, primarily the United States. Professional military personnel were recruited, including experts in all types of modern combat and sabotage, many of them trained in the Soviet Union. the faculty at Manzareih included translators, commandos from North Korea, security experts from Syria, veteran Palestinian terrorists, advisers from Libya, KGB officers fluent in Farsi (the Iranian language), and radical experts from movements all over the world. By 1985 there we as many as eighteen functioning training facilities in Iran training thousands of terrorists. There were special camps for women and suicide fighters as well as the general three-to-six month training sessions for regular recruits. The Iranians even turned airports into academies.... With camps established all over the Middle East and Castro's Cuba clearly destined to be the training capital of the Western hemisphere, the international terrorist machine was in motion. (John Pynchon Holms, Terrorism: Today's Biggest Threat to Freedom, pp. 164-165)

1986 - Stockholm International Peace Research Institute report: Russia had clandestine strategic reserve of several thousand nuclear weapons, as large as Russia's declared force

1990 - Soviets played a critical role in the invasion of Kuwait: The Washington Times reported on August 14, 1990 that Colonel-General Albert Makashov (a Soviet General specializing in tank warfare) arrived in Bagdad two weeks before the Kuwait invasion on July 17, and remained in Iraq until August 13. “The Soviets played a critical role in operational planning, communications, and logistics for the invasion of Kuwait.” (Financial Times, August 8, 1990) The same article stated that the attack on Kuwait “bore all the earmarks of Soviet satellite intelligence.” Also, “The Soviets never have two satellites over the Persian Gulf except in times of war.” COSMOS 2037 was launched a few weeks before the invasion of Kuwait, and then on July 20th COSMOS 2086 was launched and moved into position to view Kuwait on July 28, 1990.

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I sure do hope that Abbas will show the courage necessary to at least try to break his people out of servitude to the Russians........... (especially considering that they are Atheists)......

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