The Butcher of Tehran

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    Iranians slam Macron for congratulating 'Butcher of Tehran' Raisi - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

    Raisi, known as the 'Butcher of Tehran' for supposedly killing over 5,000 Iranian political prisoners, is now Iran's new president. He was described by Israel's Mosad as being a mad man.
    A nuclear Iran is on the cards. It would take a war to stop Iran going nuclear. And should that war stop Iran's nuclear program there would be other nations, who also hate the West, who will step in - including Russia, China or even Pakistan.
    It has been suggested that if Iran is a nuclear power then overnight so too will be Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia as they hate and fear Iran.
    And soon a Taliban Afghanistan. This new government will then be able to support the Pakistani Taliban against the nuclear power state of Pakistan.
    We are going to be living in interesting times.
     
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    Xoe will play hardball with Iran, Egypt, Turkey and the Taliban. He’s gonna put his foot down and tell them that this is the way it is and if you think otherwise then you will have to deal with the full force and might of the USA.
    Come on man!!!

    (All bets are off if the above mentioned country’s are willing to purchase one of Hunters paintings for $10 mill.)
     
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    Worry not, my friend. Mighty, feared Joe Biden is at the helm, and he will make everything right.

    If someone wakes him.
     
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    You know what they said about awakening the sleeping giant.
     
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    Calling Joe Biden a giant is akin to calling Einstein a mental midget.
     
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    Yeah, Trump certainly is the mental midget of recent past. Compared to him, Biden is a true giant. Isn't Einstein still alive?
     
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    *sigh Mental giants truly live among us.
     
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    Thanks. The last mental midget is no longer in the WH, hopefully he is not installed again.
     
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    Right, he's at Camp David for the weekend.
     
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    Nah, he's taking the hard earned dollars from his lemming flock.
     
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    Pfff... what a Zionistic rant of an article.

    First of all it is the ... alleged butcher. And the accusation is not as if he personally was even present. He was just a deputy prosecutor at that time, and because of that they suspect he had something to do with the allegations made against political prisoners, a totally legit paper proces. It's not even that he was a judge who made the conclusions based on some kind of evidence. Just an assistant DA.


    It's not as if he ran a concentration camp where he ordered people to be killed. And the article mentions that this is according to the Mossad. The Mossad who is no stranger to massacre people without trial. There shouldn't even be a doubt if they still kill people. Israel only legally supported the idea to not torture people in 1999, so we still get cases from people who just survived to file a lawsuit for having to deal with their broken bones (up to 11 ribs a person) and organ failures.

    All that, and it goes on about that alleged nuclear bomb project where there is no evidence of after years of searching. Them Zionists have been lying about this for decades on end.


    Them Israeli Jews should be far more concerned about repaying Arabs for the real estate they stole from them.
     
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    There's probably no evidence for North Korea getting the bomb either - until it got it, then it was a moot point.
    Yes, even the Iranians admit to lying to the West about their bomb. There's literally truck loads of evidence.
    This Raisi is called the Butcher of Baghdad long before he became President.
    A 'Zionist rant', no, I am an Australian. Speaking of Zion, Israel, Mossad is just a deflection from the issue - and
    that is that Iran today is as hard line and radical as it was when Khomeni came to power. It's not just Israelis who
    fear a nuclear powered Iran - it should be the whole world because the sun is setting on nuclear non-proliferation.
     
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    The point is moot, since Israel has been claiming Iran is going for a nuclear bomb for decades on end. The US managed to make one in 4 years in the distance past with computers who have less calculating power then your random smartphone. If Iran really wanted to have a nuclear bomb, they would have made one 15 years ago already. They haven't. Iran has been inspected even. All we got is Israel barking the same old song without any evidence, for it's own geo-political gains. Israel who no doubt got a nuclear bombs as well, and refuses people to come and inspect them. So Israel is bias as hell while their name is as good as their lousy predictions. And since you mention them: North Korea managed to build one. It is far less advanced than Iran... and nobody really gives a damn.

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    ^^
    Israel claiming Iran is at 90%.... and that was 10 years ago!!
    Total lie.


    Independent scientific inspection said no. And so that is the end of the discussion.


    Baghdad? lol Wrong capital.


    You dragged in Israel and the Mossad. So I'm perfectly in my right to label that nonsense you drag in to be Zionistic lies.
    Where you live is irrelevant.

    Israel doesn't care about nuclear non-proliferation. They refuse to sign it.
     
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    Wow, just wow!

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    Baghdad? Ha ha, I am thinking of Sadaam Hussein, another nice boy to the political left.
    Iran needs refined, military grade uranium - until now it didn't have this. Only the low
    grade stuff for commercial reactors. Iran's long history of covert work on the bomb is well
    documented.
    Israel didn't sign up to the non-proliferation treaty, but Iran did. Signing up gave Iran all
    the support it needed to break the treaty - that's where all these centrifuges come into
    play.

    It's interesting - the Wesern left sympathize with Iran, as they did Hussein's Iraq, just on
    the basis that my enemy's enemy is my friend. The END RESULT of this will be a complete
    breakdown of the nuclear non-proliferation. China stood by North Korea and Russia has
    support Iran in this - but tomorrow Taiwan will have the bomb, and so too will Ukraine. Then
    somehow it will be 'different' but... too late.
     
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    You want me to post a picture of Rumsfeld shaking Saddams hands for a job well done on the Kurds, Rumsfeld who worked for all kinds of GOP politicians?
    Saddam was the puppet of the political right.

    They don't have it, because they don't want it, because there is no need for it.
    It's not that they don't have it because it's so incredible hard to make. It's not.
    They got their own satellites. Something that only 8 other countries on this planet did.
    Maybe you're not aware of it, but that's quiet an achievement and a show how advanced it is.
    There is no doubt in my mind they can make a centrifuge to make that high end uranium.

    Israel has no rights to complain about a treaty Iran signed, when Israel refuses to sign that treaty.
    And them centrifuges don't come to play. A country can have them.
    It's also a treaty Iran can end, by the way. It's not as if they are forced to stick to a treaty they don't like.

    The left doesn't sympathize with Hussein. They just were against the idea of attacking Iraq with a story full of lies. Right wing America got the blood on their hands of 100,000's of people who died because they believed right wing lies about Saddam's WMD policies. And that's 100,000's of people who died, and millions of people who fled and lost everything. It's also right wing America who got the blood on their hands of starting that war in Afghanistan with lies to take out Al Qaida, when it was a nation building exercise against the Taliban. It's not as if a right wing American cares about the lives of a brown muslim half way across the world. Their lives simply don't matter and are just "collateral". The left thinks differently about the value of people's life. I'm rather sure you're aware of this all, and all you got is this childish rant that if you either support my idea's or else you are supporting who I am opposing.

    And so far it's just the US who bombed civilians with a nuclear bomb. The US still justifies the idea that civilians were a totally legit target to be slaughtered with nuclear bombs. That, and being burned alive with their fire bombing campaign that destroyed around 60 (or was it 80?) cities for the sake to burn non-white people alive, when they put their own American Japanese in concentration camps. We're talking about the time of age where the US legally applied apartheid laws against their own non-white citizens. Says a lot about what policies they took against non-white people who were not their citizens. A culture that hasn't really changed.... when thinking about the prisons in Cuba, Iraq and Afghanistan where people got tortured by the 1000s. It's part of the culture of "It's not as if a right wing American cares about the live of a brown muslim half way across the world". And that is leaving out the US secret prisons, and their reasons to keep secret of what they did to people who they held captive.
     
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    It went something like this:
    Saddam invades Kuwait
    No 'peace activist' march in the streets.
    US/UK demand Iraq withdraw or they wil be driven out
    The 'peace movement' rages against imperialism - demand sanctions instead
    So Saddam faces sanctions - kids go hungry for the TV crews
    The 'peace movement' rage against the sanctions
    So we have war
    The 'peace movement' claim it's the end of the world - the Muslims will rise up
    against the Great Satan, there will be environmental catastrophe because of burning
    oil wells etc.. (and give Saddam the idea of burning the wells)
    After Iraq is driven out all is quiet - the experts were proven wrong, save for burning
    oil wells.

    So the First Gulf War is forgotten.
    Second Gulf War under Bush Jnr is the one remembered by the experts instead. However
    Iraq is now a democracy and isn't poisoning Kurds, killing
    Iranians, sending armies into Kuwait or firing missiles at Israel.
     
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    Um... small detail. The sanctions caused people including children to drink untreated water. It's estimated that -top of my head- 500,000 children died because of that. It was simply genocidal. And Albright commented that when she heard what they were doing that it's worth it. That falls in the category of your random right wing white racist saying that the life of an innocent brown muslim doesn't matter.

    The rage against the sanctions were totally within reasonable norms, unless you support far white right national themes. I'm guessing you're not going there.


    Iraq at that point hasn't poisoned Kurds for 20/30 years. Poison given the right wingers in the US to use against people.
    It also hasn't killed Iranians for 20/30 years. And that is killing Iranians with military help from the US.
    Iraq also wasn't eager to attack Kuwait at all, nothing of the sort was looming.
    And the missiles shot at Israel, was when the US attacked Israel.

    You're kind of skipping the theme of right wing big lies here, Poohbear... the fact that right wing politicians lied to the world about some imminent WMD threat from Iraq and so a war was needed.


    So now we indeed got an Iraq that is democratic. It never was the goal to achieve that. That was just made up after right wing America failed to find the WMD threat / cheap spin. And that democracy in Iraq made it sure that the majority shia population voted for a pro Iran government. So we got an Iraq, where Iran arms Iraqi shi groups attacking Americans, where Iran has placed it missiles... so much closer to Israel. Good job.
     
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    I am not familiar with Raisi or who named him 'the butcher', but Iranian presidents are PR people and don't call the shots, - the Mullahs do.
     
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    Sure, and this guy came from the legal profession, oddy enough. He would have been picked
    for a reason, and that reason is because he's every bit as Islamic as Khamenie and every bit
    as cruel. You watch, nothing good will come out of this.
     
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    Has something good come out of any of their presidents?

    Presidents don't have power in that place.
     
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    I didn't know America attacked Israel.
    WMD's refer to chemical, biological or nucear weapons. Iraq
    sough to develop all three, and used one of them against Iran
    and the Kurds. Saddam claimed of the poison chemicals that he
    'tipped them out in the desert somewhere.' They couldnt be found.
    It is suspected the huge convoys sent to Syria were these missing
    chemicals.

    I just love all this talk of 'right wing' stuff. It shows, as the Taliban
    often said, that the West 'doesn't have the stomach for the fight' in
    these matters. And one day I could imagine nuclear armed Islamist
    states nuking Rome, Israel and America - and the Western Marixst
    opposing any kickback, saying, 'Yes, but WHO INVENTED NUKES?'
     
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    That's what they did with the full knowledge, technical and tactical support of the west.
    It fully backed what Saddam did, and are just as guilty.

    It's not as if you paid ISIS to fly a plane into a sky scraper that you can point at the culprit and claim to be innocent.


    Independent scientist checked all the sites prior to the war and couldn't find anything either.
    So you're just parroting lying GOP nonsense. They found nothing, because there was nothing.
    And innocent until proven guilty, also applies to brown foreigners who are muslim not just white Christian people you like.
    Yup.. I am tossing this one it.

    This is just bla bla conspiracy.
     
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    So the West supported chemical weapon development in Iraq,
    but Iraq didn't have chemical weapons.
    ?????
    Sure, France helped Iraq get a nuclear reactor. But then some
    Israeli F16's took care of that. And everyone criticized Israel for
    taking out that reactor - at the time.
    But today we have Taliban rule over Afghanistan - and the
    Pakistani Taliban are emboldened in their own battle against
    the nuclear powered govt of Pakistan. That's why America gave
    $40 billion to Pakistan - fear that the country would fall to the
    Taliban. Going to happen sooner or later. Then we will be living
    in interesting times - nuclear armed Islamism.
     
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    That happened in the 1980's -top of my head-. When GWB and co in the early 2000's were claiming that Iraq had WMD's and made them in trucks and bla bla bla... that's when Iraq didn't have any WMD's.


    That nuclear reactor was running with super computers donated by the US.

    Yeah well. So far it took white people to nuclear bomb non white civilians.
    And act that the predominantly white nation still supports.

    But when not they but other groups kill civilians, that's when they draw a hypocritical line.
     

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