The carbon tax explained

Abbott is a (*)(*)(*)(*) wit....your point?

 

I'll type slow for you ...

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Do try to keep up.

 

Ok your point is they rolled out Bob to call Abbott "mad as a cut snake"

Snotty Bob qualified that straight away by saying "on this issue anyway"

So your point is that Abbott is correct on all the other issues!!

Man, that is a huge point, i shall try to pay more attention in future.

 

I doubt it'll make much difference, but I applaud you for making the effort.

 

Hi Recusant

Hey i'm not against cleaning up our act or the Earth.

What i am against is the fact that this carbon tax will be a global tax like the GST and it will not contribute to cleaning up our act in the slightest.

It will make no difference to how oil companies and power station work, if it did dont you think they would have their say.

The bottom line is it will stay a status quo (cleaning the atmosphere) BUT we will be forced to pay this new tax because the companies wil pass it on to us.

Please explain to me how a carbon tax will clean up our act?

Oil companies and power stations are all about cutting costs what will they do to make their emissions cleaner?

What will change?

 

I didn't presume you to be 'anti-earth', but your earlier attacks on the science of climate change are borne of ignorance. Just as my support of the science is borne of ignorance (of that science). I am not, however, completely ignorant as to basic scientific queries and principals and through that i accept their proposition of anthropogenic climate change. i.e. the act of science is what it is, and it's better than anything "The Australian" or the "Miners Guild" can come up with. Scientific methods have been going on for centuries. I respect the methodology.

This isn't something that will change over night - especially at a low $20/tonne rate. But business and people will make some adjustments and over time (as long as the price goes ballistic) it will make a real difference. If the government gives me a thousand dollars back, i can choose to spend $20 on a 'high-carbon' item, or $19 on a lower carbon item. In order for the $20 item to remain competitive, the company will attempt to lower their emissions so they don't pay the tax (or less of it) to make their pricing more competitive. I do think $20/tonne is way too low for that to happen though.

When the electricity price goes up, maybe, just maybe, some tradies will put on a jumper instead of turning on their heater. If they don't they can shut up imo. We have a doona that works perfectly well to about 0degrees. Then i wear a thermal to bed if it drops below.. no heater. Yet in the paper just the other day was a story about how log heater sales were doing very well this year and the owner was saying "when it goes below about 6-7degrees, you really need the warmth of a heater" - he was talking about over night for god's sake. I mean the lazy/selfish/thoughtlessness of people in this country is just phenomenal. Not to mention the astounding lack of perspective with regard to impacts to their "lifestyle" compared to people elsewhere losing crops, children and livelihoods to extended droughts and more powerful storms.

Further, the money raised from a carbon tax goes into government revenue - which is WAY better than carbon trading which as (i think) you say is just another way for bastard bankers to make more money. That government revenue can be directed into abatement programs and assistance for the poor. I personally thank the Greens for not succumbing to an ETS.

In fact, my personal belief is that one of the main reasons there is a strong push for action on climate change is because of the financial sector. It's them vs 'old industry' in a big-time war. Because the banks want trading, conspiracy theorists have jumped on that as evidence that it is just a hoax. It's a pity, but it seems the only way people become aware of something big and potentially disastrous is if it's rapid (rapid change is easy to see) or if someone (corporations) find a way to make serious money from it.

 

Sorry Recusant i dont agree

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I suppose you're right. It's too much to expect a stupid, fat, ignorant, selfish, thoughtless Australian to put on a jumper instead of turning on a heater.

 

LOL

Hissy fit!

Massive silly generalization alert!!

Lot's of hate kiddies, look away!!!

 

Hey Tank

Just in case you misssed the science of why its FALSE.

 

http://on.fb.me/ipVbk8

 

the evidence that its a scam.

 

It's been posted before.

http://www.ke-research.de/downloads/climateSaviors-1-1.pdf

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16396



To be a skeptic implies doubt in a belief.

Belief's are not science. Propaganda is not science.


Science is not a mystery. It just is.
Science is only valid when proved and others can re-prove it.
Science is the REAL physical world explained.

Anything NOT science is a figment of your imagination.
When lots of people have common imaginary thoughts,
it can often result in beliefs, morals or religions, but never science.

Theories are not Science.

To Embrace science is to understand physical truths of the known universe
and this comes in handy some times when someone is trying to pull
a swifty on you

 

Well done.

You just very clearly demonstrated how worthless your opinions are on this subject.

Proofs exist only in mathematics and logic, not in science.
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The knowledge that there is no such thing as a scientific proof should give you a very easy way to tell real scientists from hacks and wannabes. Real scientists never use the words “scientific proofs,” because they know no such thing exists. Anyone who uses the words “proof,” “prove” and “proven” in their discussion of science is not a real scientist.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...sconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof

WTF!?!?!

The Oxford English Dictionary says that scientific method is: "a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses....Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses via predictions which can be derived from them. These steps must be repeatable, to guard against mistake or confusion in any particular experimenter. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many independently derived hypotheses together in a coherent, supportive structure. Theories, in turn, may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method


Please tell us more about what you think "science" is! This is hilarious!

 

the op still holds true.

 

Let them play their meaningless little word games. We are up against a religion here.

 

We have an ETS, and an ETS raises government revenue whether the price is fixed or floating. It's always the government auctioning the permits initially, and there is a very limited ability to make a lot of money from it for "bankers" imo because there is always the alternative of investing in their own business to lower emissions instead of buying expensive permits. "Bankers" will still be better off short selling in the stock market if they want to make a quick buck imo.

 

Currently we have a carbon tax.

GOT THAT

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CARBON TAX.

After three years of a CARBON TAX we will join the European Union's Emissions Trading Scheme.

Can you understand ENGLISH??!!!

 

Who knew they could tax the air?

 

Presumably 'Emissions Trading Scheme with an initial fixed price period' doesn't make the tabloids fog index limit, so they came up with the term 'Carbon Tax' for people such as yourself dumber.

 

Funny isn't it, decades ago people were making jokes that one day the Government will tax us to breathe....and here we are today being taxed for breathing!

What part the Government is totally out of control do we not get yet?

 

Thanks ziggy

The fixed price period being a different system also has a name its called the carbon tax.