The carnage of the slow cancer of Islam

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    You don't think divine right of kings was tied to religion?
     
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    I do not think so, but like Christians and Jews, most do not follow those parts

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chronicles+15:13&version=KJV

    2 Chronicles 15:13

    King James Version (KJV)

    13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
     
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    Thomas Paine USED the text of the bible to demonstrate the illegitimacy of the divine rule of monarchs in his Pamphlet "Common Sense". Much like the likes of ISIS USE the text of the Koran and Hadiths to demonstrate the illegitimacy of ANY governance other than the Islamic Caliphate.
     
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    That was before god exiled the Jews from Israel and commanded them to instead be good citizens of the nations they go to. Before Jesus came and said
    "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"
     
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    Thomas Paine died in 1809 so there were lots of kings and Christianity prior to his writings.

    There is NO mention of a Caliphate in the Koran. Not sure about the hadiths .. most of those came out of Persia 200 years after Muhammed.
     
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    The point that completely escapes you is that the divine right of Kings has no support in the Christian doctrine of the bible and is instead purely the invention of those who came after the bible was written.

    The Sunnis believe the first four Caliphates were the "Rightly Guided" Caliphs. All four were within 29 years of Muhammads death
     
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    Divine right of kings existed for a thousand years before Thomas Paine.... render unto caesar etc.

    Muhammed never said squat about a caliphate.
     
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    So, in other words, you CAN'T support any of your puerile ad hominem attacks about "hating Jews".
    I"m not going anywhere so get used to having your slanderous lies exposed.
     
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    Irrelevant to my point.
     
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    Did you say something? I wasn't paying attention.
     
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    I beg to differ. It is not false that ISIS considers the meccan sura to be superceded. Its not false that ISIS uses takfiri as their excuse to murder tens of thousands of fellow muslims.

    The wide spread expansion and funding of Madrasses by the Saudi regime are ALL wahhabist. The Saudis spend billions per year on funding Muslim causes and that amount represents upwards of 90% of the total expenses for the entire faith.
    Genders are not equal but different, there are literally dozens of social restrictions and perceptions that have been absorbed by regional religious leaders. Such as burkas, purdah and other sexually/gender repressive symbols, customs and laws.
     
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    Actually nope.. Most madrassas are Deobandi.. just as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and India are a Deobandi majority.

    ISIS doesn't define Islam.
     
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    Yes, imagine the political hot potato that the Saudis have to deal with.

    Firstly, ISIS is certainly a wahhabi child, but it wants the destruction of the house of Saudi. A classic case of unanticipated consequences or some might call it creating their own petard.

    Sure they dont' want their citizens getting combat training in a religious cause that could be imported into the Kingdom. Sure they have to make all kinds of public gesticulations about how they aren't involved and are doing everything they can to prevent their citizens from joining either side. Meanwhile they are having a field day in Yemen, killing "rebels".
     
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    I suggest you research the number of Saudi financed madrasses in Pakistan alone.

    I am fully aware that ISIS does not define Islam. they are clearly takfiri, the irony of which is completely lost on them.
     
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    Yes and they are Deobandi madrassas... Most madrassas are small .. under 50 students.. boys between the ages of 7 and 12.
     
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    Yes and now the Saudis have shifted from deobandi to exclusively the madrasses of Ahl al-Hadith, which is true salafist/wahhabi.

    You surely aren't going to suggest that the wahhabi concept of jihad along with its inherent takfiri ideology and intolerance are not at the root of today's violent islamist jihad.
     
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    Much like the first Caliph, the first of the "Rightly Guided" Caliphs, whose first action following the death of Muhammad was to wage war upon its own people in the Wars of Apostasy, against those tribes who stopped paying their protection money to Mecca after Muhammad died. ISIS is emulating the Rightly Guided Caliphs.
     
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    Deobandi doctrine is the same as Wahhabi doctrine. They both follow the Hanbali school of thought. Its all just basic, Sunni, Islamic Fundamentalism. And you are right in that the Saudi Funding of Deobandi schools had a big impact on their influence.
     
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    Er. actualy deobandi doctrine is not the same as wahhabi doctrine. There are one or two rather significant differences.

    • Salafi- Strong, strict principles-concept of Jihad extremely strong; Deobandi- less strict in each
    • Concept of Taqleed(following someone such as Imam)-Deobandis, proponents; Salafis-mixed opinion with the majority opponents
    • Salafi-Very intolerant towards non-Muslims and non-Wahhabis; Deobandis-considerably tolerant
    • Difference of opinion on sources of guidance; both agree on Quran, Hadith and Ijma, only Salafi believe in Salaf-us-Salih
    • Variable beliefs amongst the two on Shuhada, Aulia, Tawassul and other religious ideas

    Read more: Difference Between Salafi and Deobandi | Difference Between http://www.differencebetween.net/mi...ce-between-salafi-and-deobandi/#ixzz4frgTXIk9
     
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    I hope the people that are vetting all our immigrants are familiar with these doctrines, but maybe not, since supposedly the Wahhabis are busily in the US trying to be the organizing principle for Islam here...?
     
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    We may have elected Trump just in time.

    This is the future "progressives" wanted for America

    A startling revelation by the U.K, There are 6,000-10,000 jihadists roaming about the country.

    “Activity continues around the clock to identify and stop these threats,” said Basu, before his shocking admission that “we are making arrests on a near daily basis”.
     
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    yios wrote: @waltky why on Earth did you resurrect this old dead tired thread with your irrelevant post about cancer in Africa ???

    `Updated info on cancer in Africa.
     

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