The Case Against Capitalism

The means of production of steak and lobster are controlled by the workers?

Hey everybody! We have socialism!

 

People can give things by the amount of their humanity.
Wealth can give things by the amount of their resource.
Robots can give things by the amount of their productivity.

 

Hoover Dam is controlled by the workers.

EBT cards are a simple form of socialism.

 

According to Comey since Snowden no longer works for the government he has nothing to worry about. He can use the Hillary defense.

 

yes, Stalin and Mao and 1000's of other liberal elites throughout human history slowly starved 120 million human beings to death with their lousy liberal elite management which is exactly why our genius Founders chose freedom from lousy expert liberal elite management, and exactly how America became the greatest country in all of human history. 1+1=2. Welcome to your first lesson in American History.

 

I don't really see that since Snowden was handling information he had no right to handle while Hilary at least had a right to handle the information which she so badly mismanaged.

 

You're hilarious.

 

That's all great. But if you're after economic growth, you need market prices and capital accumulation.

 

yes to Daniel backward since we have some govt it only makes sense to have totalitarian govt!!

 

just bad management. now, socialism even provides steak and lobster on EBT cards.

 

dear; you merely don't understand the concepts.

It is about using socialism to bail out capitalism, like usual.

Correcting for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through a fourteen dollar an hour minimum wage is one example.

Why should labor have to care about capitalism's natural rate of unemployment?

Bad management cannot be blamed on "the workers" to the extent "the workers" don't participate in management.

 

socialism starts with a social contract too.

why not work on our sense of humor at the same time and call it multitasking on political forums.

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State Capitalism and taxes can accomplish much more, much faster. It should be about promoting the general welfare and the general prosperity, for the People.

Concentration of wealth should be happing for better infrastructure, not a war on drugs.

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dear, all we need to do is bargain for section 8 housing with China.

 

The social contract is just mysticism.

If you provide no arguments to back up your claims, then your replies are worthless.

The War on Drugs is not a product of free markets, but of state bureaucracy.

 

Our federal and State Constitutions are not mysticism. You merely don't understand the concepts involved.

Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights in order to vest it with requisite powers. --The Federalist Number Two

That IS socialism, in practice. It starts with a social Contract regarding our form of Government.

 

The authority of such documents has been thoroughly rebuked:

http://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm

But this is different from the "social contract". Such a thing is often an implied contract, not even having the decency to try to appear legitimate with a written document.

Publius is wrong. Government, by which we mean the institution or institutions providing for law and order, is not synonymous with state or nation-state. The latter is a monopoly institution, under which it's expected the people will be taxed against their will, and their rights diminished. Decentralized legal alternatives are possible, and have existed in the past, and don't require ceding natural rights away.

It is true that states are socialist entities, in that they are centrally planned legislative, executive, and judicial bodies. This is why they produce horrible laws, according to which the politically connected classes benefit and everyone else pays heavy costs. It's same thing as communist party officials enjoying delicacies and high quality products, while the workers starve and cannibalize each other.

Also, simply quoting American "founding fathers" still doesn't cut being an argument. I could just quote Thomas Jefferson and show an opposing view.

 

So, since there are 114 pages on this thread, what was the case built against capitalism?

 

dude, they were ratified by the People and we have a government based upon that document. I think you need more than continuance, diversion, and other forms of fallacy to work with.
There is No Thing implied in our written social Contracts.

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yes, but the right doesn't realize it because the left wants to learn how to merely use capitalism, for all of its worth.

 

sort of hard given that China just switched to capitalism from socialism and instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty. A liberal will never have heard of East/West Germany.

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exactly our Constitution could have been a Nazi document. Its all in how you read it.

 

exactly what HItler and Mussolini wanted too!!

 

By "the People" you mean white, male landowners with political and economic connections who lived over 200 years ago and are all long dead? Oh right those people.

Read Spooner. The argument for the Constitutions legal binding on us today is laughable stupid.

Not anymore. From the day it was ratified it started to be violated, much more so after the Civil war and WWII.

So you're not talking about Rousseau? Ok but you should know you're conflating a few things.

 

except it created by far world's greatest and only empire of liberty that saved the world through 2 world wars, then recreated the world in its image, then freed 1.4 billion in China, and then became the world's policeman. Imagine replacing America with Hitler Stalin Mao Pol Pot Castro Assad, ISIS, Putin. This is our fate if liberals are allowed to participate.

 

Not true. China is not capitalist because the primary means of production – LAND – is publicly owned. All privately HELD land in China is leased from the government.

"In my opinion the least bad tax is the property tax on the unimproved value of land, the Henry George argument of many, many years ago."— Milton Friedman, Nobel laureate in Economics (1976)

 

totally illilterate!!!!
wiki:
Ownership rights[edit]
Ownership rights are protected under Article 39 of The Property Law of the People’s Republic of China, which gives the owner the right to possess, utilize, dispose of and obtain profits from the real property.

 

The word “property” covers a lot of things, but in China the word “property” does not apply to land.



All of those privately owned buildings you see in this picture of Hong Kong are built on land leased from the public. The land is publicly owned. So it is not capitalism.

 

Ownership rights are protected under Article 39 of The Property Law of the People’s Republic of China, which gives the owner the right to possess, utilize, dispose of and obtain profits from the real property.



PART II OWNERSHIP

Chapter IV General Stipulations

Article 39
The owner shall have the right to possess, utilize, dispose off and obtain profits from its real or movable property in accordance with the laws.