The Case For Allowing Trump To Stay In Office, Even If He IS Guilty

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I rest my case.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How exactly could Trump "rig the election" with the Russians.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you?

    Enjoy this list of 33 fake news storys pushed by the MSM

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/m...ws-stories-in-33-days-1-a-day/article/2615652


    ■ Politico reported that a company overseen by Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin had foreclosed on a 90-year-old woman for due to a 27-cent payment error. The Competitive Enterprise Institute determined that there was no foreclosure and a different company was involved.

    ■ CNN reported that Nancy Sinatra was “not happy” Trump’s first inaugural dance to her dad's “My Way.” She reacted, “Why do you lie, CNN?”

    ■ A Time reporter tweeted that Trump removed the Martin Luther King Jr. bust from Oval office. The reporter soon corrected the tweet.

    ■ Several outlets reported that a firing bloodbath was taking place inside the top ranks of State. Most who left were Obama political hires who work at the pleasure of the president.

    ■ His immigration order was hit for not targeting terror-sponsoring nations where Trump had business interests, denied by the White House. The countries were the same targeted by former President Obama.

    ■ CNN tweeted that Sean Spicer received from staffers several Super Soakers after Melissa McCarthy’s impression of him on Saturday Night Live. Spicer called it “fake news” and untrue.

    ■ Crowd size reports of a February anti-Trump protest in London ranged from 300,000 to 2,000. The Hill started at "hundreds of thousands" and the final story update was 7,000.

    Enjoy 16 more:

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/06/16-fake-news-stories-reporters-have-run-since-trump-won/

    Here's another 13 for you:

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/23/13-major-fake-news-stories-just-five-months-trumps-presidency/

    You guys really enjoy eating crow and everything you do boomerangs into your faces.

    This will be no different.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Well you know what they say...."A failure to plan is a plan for failure".
    Heck, maybe if we as a country had of planned a bit better prior to the 2016 election,
    rather than all sides (left, right, and center) choosing to focus on short-term goals instead, we wouldn't even be in this mess...

    Like some kind of cornered animal? I guess that's a pretty good point.
    But if that damage is incalculable, then what of the damage that could come about were he to be removed from office?

    -Meta
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Hopefully you wrote this out of purely partisan cynicism, and not because you believe it makes any sense.

    How can Democrats do what Republicans did to Obama when they controlled Congress, given that Democrats don't control Congress? The only ones who can obstruct the Republican agenda are other Republicans. Democrats don't have the poser to stop anything.

    I know it's not going to happen. It would require Republicans to suddenly grow honesty. And we all know that, to the large majority of Republicans in Congress, getting elected is more important than defending their country. Which is exactly what their propaganda has taught their faithful to believe. But it will expose their anti-patriotism to anybody still on the right who might still care about things like that.
     
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    LMFAO, have you even read your own stuff :) That's the whole point of the post now isn't it! You "know it's not going to happen" but you are compelled by some reason to create post after post of how it's going to happen! So either Golem "know it's not going to happen" or Golem is simply TROLLING a theory he clearly admits is not going to happen for no other reason than to incite angst.

    Interesting confession Golem :applause:
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Woa! Hold it right there! You compare comments about the inaugural dance to things like accusing a former President of wiretapping American citizens, or attacking a Federal judge because of his race, or denying facts verified by all our security agencies, or... ? Oh... I could go on for hours.... CNN can make mistakes and correct themselves, or they can even make up news... But we're talking about the President of the United States making accusations with real ramifications.

    You can't get more partisan than this!

    Very different!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wrong again! I have created post after post saying that I believe it's not going to happen. You're just too lazy to read them.
     
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    Right :roll:
     
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    I'm not suggesting he did.
     
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    First of all, I didn't make the comparison, my reference did.

    Secondly, President Obama's illegal wiretapping is proven fact. Merkel, the AP, Rosen, the list goes on.

    Trump not wanting a La Raza judge is no different than Obama not wanting a KKK judge.

    CNN hasn't made mistakes. They have lied. Daily.

    Please, do go on.

    We have any "sekret one on one Putin" meetings at a mile long table full of world leaders yet today?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one has explained to me yet exactly how Trump could have helped the Russians help him get elected.
     
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    OK.
     
  14. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I agree that this whole situation is like a big nasty bomb of sorts, but Trump is not going to be in office forever,
    and we don't really know that it's necessarily the case that things will explode before his term is up. So...its kind-of more like...
    a choice between waiting out a ticking bomb we know is going to go away on its own eventually/hoping for the best; that it does not go off before that time comes
    or taking a risk of accidentally setting it off while trying to get rid of it by force.
     
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    Nonsense. The damage to our traditions and perceptions among our young would end up destroying the country.
    A criminal allowed to keep the top job in the country would be fatal to our society.
    Can you imagine if Clinton had been impeached and found guilty and then allowed to stay in office?
    I'm amazed that anyone would even consider this.
    I suspect that it's a sign of how badly trump has already damaged our national psyche.
    America has elected a demagogue.
     
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    Like a good Trump supporter: "I'm not responsible for anything I say or do"

    Sure... except that there is no proof, or evidence,... or even indication. But, of course, you're probably not responsible for that either, right?

    Oh man! Are you desperate! When did Mekel became an American citizen? What does AP have to do with Trump?

    And Rosen... So appropriate that you mention that in a thread about fake news. Guess who said ""I was not wiretapped, my parents were not wiretapped..." Rosen made up a story. Presented no evidence, no proof, no indication... nothing... just the fake news. Real fake news like this, where even the President's own Press Secretary repeats it, occurs exclusively in right wingnut media. And you have helped me prove this here.

    What does "La Raza" have to do with KKK? Don't tell me... I know... you're going to bring more fake news about "La Raza". Thus exposing for everyone to see, not only your racism, but your ignorance.
     
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    I never claimed President Trump should be allowed to remain in office if impeached and convicted.

    And he couldn't anyway. Once the Senate voted by the required margin to convict him he would be no longer president.

    I'm saying the EFFORT to impeach him and remove him from office will be more damaging that simply not bothering.

    And I've given my reasons.
     
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    Trump hasn't the temperament, the discipline, or the proper perspective to carry out his Presidential duties, and I fear that his lackadaisical "whatever" attitude and lack of restraint COULD put us in dangerously compromising situations.

    However, I feel that he entered the race for the public exposure, not REALLY expecting to win, and I stand by my Jan. 10th prediction that he will exit the office by the end of the year. . . . I think he's had his fill of the Presidency.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tep-aside-and-hand-the-reins-to-pence.491035/
     
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    "even if he is found guilty"??

    Are you serious?
     
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    I'm responsible for linking it, not reporting it.

    Every single one of those fake news stories come out day after day.

    Any secret meetings between Trump and Putin in crowded dinners today to your knowledge?

    Sure. I guess the Snowden stuff is fake news too. Go pound sand.

    La Raza is a Hispanic Supremacy group, of course. If only we had a device that allowed us to look up information that we were unsure of.....
     
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    Not good enough! If you bring it to the forum, it means you agree with it.

    Just as I thought. No it's not!!!

    Yeah... if you could find it, you wouldn't project this racist image.

    Educate yourself!

    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2...media-s-not-what-la-raza-means-spanish/210786

    Oh... you're such a waste of time!
     
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    Of course I agree with it genius, I linked to it after all.

    Of course it is. It's an organization that promotes "the race", meaning Hispanics. If white people started calling themselves "The Race" and started promoting "whiteness" your little liberal head would pop off your shoulders.

    Oh no I've been called a racist. That and a $1 will get you some coffee.

    I'm plenty educated, thanks.

    Now that you think you've attacked me enough to divert from the topic, which of those 60-odd stories from the MSM are true.
     
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  23. Meta777

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    Yeah...having a convict for president definitely wouldn't be good....but what if the alternative was worse?
    There really just aren't any good outcomes either way if Mueller ends up releasing incriminating evidence on Trump.
    Which is why I was asking whether or not it might then be best for Mueller to just keep any known incriminating evidence to himself...
     
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    But the thing is...even if it is a high crime/misdemeanor, we have to consider the consequences, don't we?
    And if it turns out that letting a guilty Trump slide will end up better for us as a country, shouldn't we consider that?
     
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    Not if we value the rule of law.
     

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