The cause of diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, bone weakness, etc.

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  1. Gelecski7238

    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isolated native people such as Australian Aborigines and those in some parts of such places as New Zealand, Africa, South America, and Alaska have extraordinarily low rates of said diseases.

    Australian Aborigines who move from the outback into westernized settings develop the same rampant disease prevalence as the rest of modern citizens, but if they return to the outback and resume their wild diet, they start getting better right away.

    Up until about 10,000 years ago people didn’t eat any cereal grain foods. They lived like Aborigines and Neandertals. The advent of farming made grain production and consumption feasible and advantageous, except for certain health issues. Several years ago, one author noted that the human population lost several inches in height after the onset of farming and attributed it to grain consumption.

    Among other detractions such as phytates and opiate-like substances, cereal grains have a highly digestible carbohydrate content that is as bad or worse than pure sugar. Also, there is no escape from the glycemic effect in whole-grain foods and gluten-free diets featuring corn, oats, and rice, and even tapioca, cassava, buckwheat, and amaranth.

    According to Dr. William Davis, M.D., author of Wheat Belly and the more recent Undoctored (copyright 2017), anything (including, say, mashed potatoes or a whole full-sized apple) that raises blood sugar above 90 mg/DL causes too much insulin release and an accelerated rate of irreversible aging/cell damage due to increased glycation above the normal rate of aging. That occurs when the digestible amount of carbohydrate (total carbohydrate minus total fiber) is greater than 15 grams per meal. Without raising blood sugar, fructose, unfortunately, provokes insulin release and aggravates glycation effects by up to ten times worse.

    The western diet encourages the proliferation of unfavorable types of gut bacteria, a condition named dysbiosis. Consumption of foods known as prebiotic containing amounts and types of favorable carbohydrates (inulin, FOS, and GOS) and probiotic supplementation encourage the return to a profile of beneficial gut flora that are essential for good health.

    Diabetes tends to exhaust the ability of the pancreas to produce insulin, and the cells of the body tend to develop insulin resistance from being too heavily bombarded by it. The standard medical treatment is insulin and drugs, and the official advice is to follow the so-called healthy balanced diet of the food pyramid that includes cereal grain products.

    The establishment does not want people to be healthy and disease-free. There are too many big interests that are striving for a continuation of the sickness industry that yields enormous profits. The AMA, ADA, AHA, FDA, big farming and drug manufacturers are all in this together.

    Times are changing. You can see it on the shelves in grocery stores, with an increased availability of foods such as cauliflower, coconut flour, and golden flaxseed flour.

    I would speculate that most of the few lucky centenarians did not devote much of their lifetimes to avoidance of cereal grains and diminished portions of other starchy items. The logical presumption is that genetic disadvantage as a predilection towards diabetes etc befell many of shorter longevity. Evolution has not significantly put selective pressure on the disadvantaged ones because most live well beyond the breeding age.
     
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    Speaking as someone who lives and works with indigenous Australians our biggest issue is the one facing poverty everywhere in the developed world - the cheapest and easiest accessible foods are the “fast foods”.
     
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    Sorry to say but that's more due to irresponsibility and lack of self control.
    There are plenty of very poor people in India who eat home-cooked diets of vegetables. They might not have enough to eat, but what they do eat is not unhealthy.
     
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    They are far FAR from the cheapest.

    They are however, the 'easiest' .. and that's the problem.
     
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    At the moment Maccas is offering a “large fries” for $1.- of course they are betting on you buying more than that but any guesses as to how many children over the period of this promotion are going to have fries for dinner?
     
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    And if you live in an isolated rural region in the tropical north vegetables are not easy to come by. Between shitty almost sterile soil, inconstant weather and no tradition of agriculture (our First Nation people were nomadic) it is not as easy as you think
     
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    I've often heard it said the cause of such conditions is hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated vegetable oils.

    Which are you know, in practically everything we eat
     
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    2kg of potatoes is $4.

    Tell me again that it's not laziness?
     
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    How did they live before McDonalds?
     
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    Hey! Bogan lifestyle mate - Bogan Lifestyle

    Most of these “parents” have the wrong tooth/tattoo ratio in any event (more than three times as many Tats as teeth) which more than anything else shows their priorities!!!
     
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    Trans fats are the biggest issue for cardiac disease

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955571/
     
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    Weren't you just saying it was Indigenous folk? So this is your take on First Nations People?
     
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    No!!! Indigenous are separate and have some very unique challenges
     
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    "Separate" how? And where are your words of condemnation for them .. as per your condemnation of bogans?

    Everyone has challenges. When it comes to fast food, the white bogan is just as much a victim of his conditioning, as the Indigenous person.
     
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    OK

    Take one of our northern communities - I wont name it but I know it well and it is NOT the most remote. The soil is like a billiard ball, the rainfall intermittent, it is over 2,000 kilometres from Brisbane and 630 K from the nearest large town via a road that is only “sometimes bitumen” has about one and a half thousand people and one shop. This local store then can set its own prices with a head of lettuce costing up to $30. Often these local community stores in our indigenous townships are NOT locally owned but owned by outsides who charge price gouging amounts for simplest and cheapest items. Add to that that many of the older population are/were illiterate and certainly have poor health knowledge and you have an issue. Northern Territory has been doing a sterling job with really simple adds getting the message through about hand washing, smoking, nutrition, etc. In fact one ad for FASD came about because the elders noticed that the younger generation were unable to remember the “songlines” and could not understand why. Once they knew they petitioned for an advert on FASD to make women aware of the dangers of drinking while pregnant.

    An NT ad for road safety

     
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    Leaving aside those 'northern' communities (who after all, remain much closer to their self-sufficient roots), let's look at this from the perspective of urbanised groups. Those I both work amongst, and who people my own family. Cycles have to be consciously broken, just as they have to be in white bogan groups. Once the information is widely available, it then becomes a conscious choice NOT to break cycles.

    I have around a 50/50 mix of cycle breakers and cycle keepers in my extended family - but I'm not going to insult the keepers by suggesting they can't help it. They can, and so their choosing for themselves has to be respected, even if the choice itself isn't.
     
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    Maybe in Aus (but I doubt it). Cheapest never equates to easiest. I assume Australians have fresh, raw vegetables in their supermarkets, right? These are the cheapest and most nutritious foods, but they do require an amount of effort to turn into a meal. This is the biggest barrier to people eating them- more and more people don't want to prepare their own meals anymore.
     
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    This is mostly due to shitty education. An educated people are self reliant. One of our biggest problems is corruption in our education system.
     
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    Up until recently prepared meals (tv meals) were the consistency and flavour of airline food minus the taste, presentation and nutrition. Now there a bidder and growing market for prepared that is not only nutritious but also flavourful
     
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    Sorry but they don’t have “self sufficient roots” because WE attempted cultural genocide. The children on the “missions” were taken from their parents and housed in dormitories where they were not allowed to talk “language” let alone learn traditional lore

    And it is the right of every person to go to hell in a hand basket of their own choosing eg extreme sports
     
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    However if it were all down to education there would be no such thing as “comfort food” lols!
     
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    Nah. Fun is fun. An educated person can splurge on a Big Mac and funnel cake at a theme park without being fat.

    not all fat people are eating an unhealthy lifestyle, but most are.
     
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    Bingo!

    It's ALWAYS about convenience .. it's never about cost.

    The easiest foods are almost always the most expensive option.
     
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    The unschooled Third World peasant knows how to scrape together healthy meals.

    The more 'education' we have .. the worse our diets are. How you can pretend otherwise is a mystery.
     
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    Yeah, no. I was raised looking for bush tucker with my Grandmother on urban fringes, and fishing the waterways. She (and everyone else in the extended family) also grew their own food in their small suburban backyards, as well as kept chickens etc. All of this was a combination of cultural urge to find food the old way, and lack of money. That's just as useful as the northerner's generation or two's distance from full self sufficiency.

    I now work with an urban mob, and the same habits still exist here and now. There are just as many aunties and nannas still fishing and planting, as there are those who've given up in favour of easy food. The crucial thing is that they know the difference .. even those who've come from remote communities.

    I'm not willing (ever) to believe that remote people are too helpless and/or ill-informed to know how to find good tucker. Just allowing that thought to prosper in your mind, to me, is a huge problem. It indicates two deeply objectionable ideas - a) indigenous people are like children, and b) white people control the narrative.
     
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