The chilling resemblance between ISIS indoctrination and Eddie Eagle

Now, you change the terms we are discussing...... Private sales will happen even under registry. Ask the Canadians....

 

Total BS. ATF has a presence in many if not most gunshots and they are surveilled like no tomorrow. Everyone is under video coming in. Plus the place is crawling with officers. While there are a lot of stupid mutts out there, most of them are not that stupid.

 

Uh....I know. And the guns will be registered

 

All you have to do at a gun show is get a card from someone. It is ridiculously easy.

 

They take pictures of you, lots of them. You probably have several at your "home." LOL

 

Uh.....so what.

 

They want to be able to identify you if you get loose or misbehave. You're trying to derail the thread. Reported.

 

So you have no clue about what the actual laws are, do you? That's what irritates me about gun control discussions. Anti-gunners are pretty much clueless as to what the actual laws are, and mostly don't even care to look them up.

Here's a quick digest of federal law governing gun sales in this country. (Some states may have more restrictive laws, none can have less restrictive laws.)
1. All licensed gun dealers (FFLs) have to do background checks (NICS or state) of everybody that they sell a gun to.
2. FFLs cannot directly sell handguns to residents of any states but their own. They can sell them through a second FFL (who also has to do a background check).
3. FFLs can sell long guns directly to residents of any state with a background check.
4. Sales at gun shows by FFLs have to go by the above.
5. Private sales of guns involve no background checks. This is the same at gun shows or at home or out of the back of a car.
6. Private sales across state lines (if the seller and buyer live in different states) is illegal. Guns cannot be sent in the mail/UPS/Fedex unless a licensed gun dealer is involved. Sales cannot occur involving the above. An unlicensed person can send a gun to a licensed gun smith or gun dealer under certain conditions.
7. There is no gun show loophole.

 

So if you're a convicted felon, you're going to go into a building full of right wing gun nuts, with policemen at the door, and not only hundreds of witnesses, but cameras to get business cards from people you don't know? Really?

Personally, if I were in their shoes, I would do what they actually do. Buy the guns from people I know and somewhat trust. Not people who could be cops. Have you ever actually been to a gun show?

Interestingly, the 2015 study of Chicago inmates resembles the 1991 and 1997 studies done by the FBI. See table 8. in the link below. The vast majority of guns are gotten from family, friends or illegal associates.


https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf

 

Frankly, I'm trying to find out what a "card" is. It must mean something to him.

 

Yeah we need to reduce straw sales thru registration

 

if you are going to argue about firearms laws with an attorney who is an expert in this area, don't you think you ought to learn about those laws before you start?

 

we don't need any more laws-what we need to do is make infringing on our constitutional rights a felony offense punishable by serious jail time

 

Won't happen. Uncontrolled delusions got him into his current predicament. Wishful thinking and fantasy thinking is part and parcel for the left.

 

you didn't even know about the fact that the only legal second hand sales of firearms have to be intra-state if neither party is a license holder

 

I'm not the one who put up the study.

Follow the thread.

You are six lies deep.

You are in Trump territory now.

 

Nope it isn't.

Do you know what random means?

 

As long as I know more than you, dear.

Have you looked up average attendance for gun shows yet?

I am sure when you hold them in a garage and thirty people show up you are impressed.

But they not really gun shows.

Pick a number you are comfortable with.

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Spare me the BS. For the SHOT Show you have to have credentials to even get through security. Plus you have no response that virtually all of them have a LEO presence with the express purpose of identifying criminal or that they are surveilled like a Vegas casino.

 

Let me know when you can prove gun shows ban felons from attending.

I won't mention that it would be unconstitutional but we are still with you insisting you can sell firearms to complete total strangers and not doing any kind of background check.

And knowing you are surrounded by felons

 

PS: Trade shows are not gun shows.

And not open to the public.

Funny how you forgot to mention that.

 

that isn't the issue. the issue is that few guns in the hands of felons come from gun shows. you should be able to sell a gun to anyone you want unless you know or have reason to know they are a banned person

 

Laws that prohibit acts of murder are more often enforced than laws that prohibit straw purchases. Out of the countless tens of thousands of thwarted illegal purchase attempts that are performed in the united states each year, less then one hundred are ever brought up on charges. Even fewer are ever prosecuted. Just last year a straw purchasers who supplied firearms to the murderer of a police officer was given probation, rather than prison.

 

I never said anything about the SHOT show being open to the public. You are getting confused as to who you quote-which goes along with you not understanding these issues