The chilling resemblance between ISIS indoctrination and Eddie Eagle

Here's the tell of the tape:

Gun shows.

To which you responded...

 

I know of no Gun shows where FFL sellers sell without a purchaser BC... does anybody know of one?

 

You don't know that they were illegal attempts.

Trying to buy a firearm while being on the banned list is in itself not a crime.

And now some states - those that bother to check - are sending LEOs around to
persons attempting to buy firearms and letting them know they are on notice.

There are millions of people who violate speed laws but only a tiny fraction (under
one percent) are even ticketed.

You want to increase attention to attempting to buy firearms, more power to you.

I am more concerned with the immorality of people who are actually selling
firearms to felons without, apparently, a care in the world.

I have my priorities and you have yours.

 

Do you want a list of gun shows that allow for gun sales without background checks?

It is around 5,000 shows long.

 

Then pray tell why are prohibitions against the use, possession, growing, and selling or marijuana more often enforced than laws that prohibit the straw purchase of firearms? Is the possession and use of marijuana, even for medical uses, regarded as a more serious crime than knowingly supplying firearms to prohibited individuals, such as felons and known terrorists?

What you apparently do not understand, or do not care about, is that anyone who knowingly supplies firearms to a prohibited individual is legally an accomplice, and can be charged as an accessory for whatever crime is committed with that firearm. If it is used in a murder, the one who supplied it can be tried for murder as well.

Name calling is a violation of forum rules. You have already been warned about such, and now you have been reported for such.

Off topic and irrelevant nonsense.

Because it could not be done. There is no way of telling who is trading firearms with whom. It is physically impossible. You cannot prove how his claim is incorrect. It stands to reason that you know such is the case, as you have not attempted to even try showing how such is incorrect.

Which is an example of moving the goalpost on your own. Beyond such, the neighbor in question was already in possession of firearms of their own, thus making the matter of a hypothetical murder being committed a non-issue.

So now you are claiming that knowingly supplying firearms to prohibited individuals is not a serious enough offense to warrant law enforcement resources being utilized in combating the matter? There is nothing wrong with knowingly trafficking firearms to those who cannot legally possess them, who have proven that they cannot and will not abide by the rules of society?

Anyone who traffics firearms is legally an accomplice and accessory to any crime that is committed with any and every firearm that was involved. If a firearm they trafficked is used in a murder, they are just as legally guilty as if they pulled the trigger themselves. That is how the law in the united states is supposed to work. But instead it is being ignored by those tasked with enforcing the law, and without a legitimate reason.

 

Yes... just one state would be sufficient

 

Read my question carefully

 

where-I never mentioned the SHOT show-that was another poster. You not only are lying, you cannot keep the posters straight

 

its a federal violation that results in a revocation of one's FFL to do so-and other consequences. I have prosecuted cases where an FFL sold guns "under the table" at a flea market. He lost his license. He then filed a law suit against the ATF to regain his license. I represented the ATF in court. His case was dismissed by summary judgment. The court took judicial notice that the dealer had been found guilty of selling firearms that he did not do the background check nor make the buyer fill out form 4473. The court found that such facts established that the FFL should be revoked

 

Incorrect. The FBI and ATF reports that they are illegal attempts, because the ones who are denied are those with felony convictions on their records. And yet, despite the countless thousands of attempts that are committed each year, less than one hundred are ever prosecuted. Even fewer are actually convicted.

Indeed it is a crime, as the attempted purchase requires possessing the firearm. Unless a prohibited individual has been pardoned, or their conviction expunged, they cannot legally even touch a firearm, as it counts as being in their possession. Therein lays the crime, along with supplying false information on a federal form. The firearm will even have their fingerprints on it, which will be evidence of the crime.

Demonstrate such.

Demonstrate such.

Let us see if what is being said by yourself is being understood. You are going on record as statinghow you believe that this immorality, this willingness to disregard not only the law, the legal consequences of their actions, and even the lives of others, all for the sake of monetary gain, can be adequately addressed by what you are proposing being done? You believe that paperwork requirements will combat immorality where all else will fail?

 

another misrepresentation of reality. If you are a prohibited person-meaning you are denied a sale by the background check, you have committed a federal felony of perjury. Before the background check is done, a purchaser of firearms fills out a form 4473 and it asks you if you are a felon, fugitive, etc. IF YOU ANSWER YES< the sale is terminated at that point. IF ON THE OTHER HAND, you assert (swear under oath in reality) that you have no DISQUALIFYING features, the background check is executed. If you are properly DENIED that means you are a fugitive, you are a felon, you are a DV miscreant, you are a dishonorably discharged member of the military, you have been adjudicated mentally incompetent etc.

 

Well barefoot2626 claims some 5,000 gun shows allow FFLs to sell without a BC... I am awaiting the list...special exemption, eh?

 

even if they did, the federal law and invariably state law would prohibit that. the poster in question apparently has no understanding of gun laws and regulations. that sort of lie is so blatantly mendacious that even people with little familiarity with the law know how dishonest that claim is

 

Do you want a list of 5,00 gun shows in the United States
who do not require background check even though they
know felons flock to them?

 

No, I don't.

You don't seem to comprehend that you are not the boss of me or anyone else.

I don't have to do anything.

People who want to buy guns go to gun shows.

It isn't a secret.

Felons can count on people like you to be selling firearms and not checking
background.

They don't have to pretend you are doing your patriotic duty to sell to felons,
they know you are going to be there with firearms and you aren't checking IDs.

 

except there is no factual evidence supporting your silly claims.

 

you have told dozens of incorrect things in your short tenure here.

 

btw I don't sell guns to people I don't know. you again are telling lies about other posters. You claim you were thrown out of hundreds of gun shows. are you a convicted felon? or did you cause a disruption?

 

Funny how most of the THOUSANDS of gun shows in American have people who sell guns who do not have FFLs and it is, in most states, still legal.

Funny how you keep bringing up FFLs when we are talking universal background checks.

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what are you talking about?

 

Prove one.

 

Are you aware that it is a felony for a convicted felon to so much as touch a firearm?

 

BS, is you know a vendor, you can apply for credentials. If you think gun shows are full of felons, you need to be Vegas's roommate.

 

You mean like the ATF did with the express permission of the AG. Got it.

 

Why don't you show everyone?

You know, with a quote?

By the way, felons aren't kicked out of a gun show, they are most welcome.