The Church of Climate Change

The Church of Climate Change and the crusade for socialism are linked hand in hand. Climate change alarmism is the perfect excuse for bigger government and more control over human behavior.

The fact that climate alarmists ignore is if they break the economy and drive people toward hard times and even starvation, they will face a backlash that could hurt the environment even more. A strong economy can support the cost of altering environment related behavior. A weak or broken economy will result in potentially destructive shortcuts that could environmental conditions much worse.

Some of these environmental loons are coming up with agricultural regulations that will cut the supply of food and increase the prospect for starvation for the poorer countries of the world. They have already started the process in the Netherlands. When these same people start shedding their crocodile tears about “the starving poor people of the earth” they should be outed as the frauds and charilatons that they are.

The Church of Climate Change is dedicated to control, not solutions.

 

In many of these climate discussions over the years I often ask the following questions. Sometimes the first question is answered but not all, ever. Which I find amazing.

1. What is the current percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere?
2. What is the historic high percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere?
3. What is the minimal level of CO2 necessary for plant growth?
4. What is the optimum level of CO2 necessary for plant growth?

One would think people claiming to choose science over ideology could easily answer these questions. But that has proven not to be the case. Here is help on questions 1 and 4.

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/greenhouse-carbon-dioxide-supplementation.html

 

What solutions would YOU prefer?

 

Yet you expect us to read yours. You certainly live up to your name. meaningless talk; nonsense:

 

A good part of this stuff is a myth. Carbon dioxide makes up .04% of the atmosphere. The claim is that number has gone up by 50% since the Industrial Revolution started in the early to mid 1800s. Let’s put that number into perspective. Carbon dioxide is 0.0004 of the atmosphere and yet it is the sole cause of the problem. Please.

For that we are going to turn the world upside down, ruin the economies of many nations, disrupt lifestyles, except for the very rich, like John Kerry and Al Gore, who are major advocates of this hoax, AND maybe cause mass starvation.

You can have your progressive hissy fit now. I think the problem is over blown and the solutions are too fast and too drastic.

If it needs to be fixed, the people who are behind this need to improve the alternative energy sources drastically. They need to accept the use of more nuclear energy. They need to have the electric grid in place that can handle the huge influx of EVs they are forcing on us. They need to stop punishing farmers with draconian measures when they have no alternative solutions.

AND they need to stop acting like total hypocrites.

John Kerry, who forcing everyone else in the world to change their lifestyle, is still flying around in his private jet. His carbon footprint is so much bigger than mine, it’s embarrassing. He thinks he is a GOD. He can take his $250 to $500 million net worth (depending on whom you ask) which comes from marrying rich women and stuff it where the sun does not shine.

The same goes for Al Gore, who has a net worth of $320 million. Gore lives in a 20 room mansion with eight bathrooms that is probably 10 times the size of my house. Yet WE are the people who are supposed to live in poverty to fit the problem. Please.

I know that Kerry can fly commercial. I saw him at Logan Airport about 30 years ago when he was a senator. Back then he was married to a woman who was only worth about $4 million.

End of rant!

 

Right. You just reject that Earth is warming due to human activity. Or, you just don't care.

What is it that is causing you to live in poverty?

Maybe something can be done for you.

Also, before you name names and claim air miles, you might check into what they are doing to offset their carbon footprints.

 

If you want to know any of these answers they are easily found. Currently the CO2 level is 421 ppm and it hasn’t been that high since the Pliocene 2.5 to 5.3 million years ago and it didn’t pop up that high over 100 years like now, but rose slowly allowing for adaptation.

Plants need CO2 to grow, they also need sunlight, water and nutrients, but CO2 is also a green house gas. How well do they do in 120 degree heat and no rain or too much rain? Also more nutrients do not suddenly appear to match the plants growth needs, as I noted before plants may grow larger but will contain less nutrients by weight. That makes them less nutritious, which has theoretically contributed to a decreasing insect population.

 

Amen.

The carbon sequestration by plants gets a major amount of examination.

Pretending that a standard greenhouse is a model of the real world is pretty silly.

 

Fffff

 

My response to you is LOL. If you think that Kerry and Gore are doing anything that could remotely offset their climate carbon consumption, drink up some more Kool Aid.

 

I don't expect anyone to read anything I write. I posted the OP because it's funny and I know there's a couple folks here that will agree. I never expected 15 pages and still going.

So why did you bother?

 

Math's hard.

 

Oh you're right about that. I've even written baloney screeds like those when I worked for NHTSA. Well, I didn't actually write it, just that my name's on it as the NHTSA writer. We actually contracted one of the Beltway Bandits and paid them $120,000 to write it. I managed the contract.

See, we (my bosses really) wanted to raise CAFE standards. The standard practice in DC at that time (2009) was what's called Pay/Go. That means that any proposal needs to show that it will save more money than it will cost to implement it. So the documents MUST show the maximum cost savings.

This was a health effects study.

Unbelievably to me when I finally got to read the final report some 6 weeks later was that raising CAFE standards were projected to save 300 lives and $7 billion dollars in associated health costs in 2030.

Yes, you read that right. 20 years later 300 people fewer will die in a country that naturally has about 2.8 million people die every year. That's known as less than a rounding error and mostly myth.

And somehow $7 billion will not be spent. Of course for it to be spent, it would have to wind up in someone elses wallet. So who would be pissed by not getting paid?

And that's the exact moment I became sure anything published by Kaiser Permanente and the like is completely politically motivated and not worth the paper it's written on.

 

Having thought over this question, has your church considered any of the issues I addressed:

- Vast improvement in the generation of alternative energy sources.
- Use of nuclear energy to relieve the shortages/\.
- Improving the electric grid to power EVs.
- Preserve the production of food in the face of draconian carbon reduction regulations.

Is it sac-religious to ask these questions?

 

Those are all good questions. Well, that 4th one needs some explanation.

I'd say the nuclear energy one is a loser, as the cost of nuclear power is far more than we pay for electricity from other sources - especially sources that don't emit greenhouse gas.

 

WillReadMore, that 4th one.

If I may explain- it takes somewhere in the neighborhood of five gallons of diesel fuel to farm one acre of field corn. That's before the corn has left the silo. You still got to truck it to the consumer.

 

If misleading people is funny you have an odd sense of humour.

 

@WillReadmore made a comment about my hyperbole concerning poverty.

Americans don’t realize how fragile an economy is, even the U.S economy. As the guys who tout gold say, it’s all paper assets. That’s right, my stock portfolio and 401k are all paper. If the stock market goes up the spout, like it did from 1929, I have a fraction of what I have now or even nothing. I’ve got quite a bit of gold, like most “conservative knuckle daggers” do, but you can’t eat it, and it pays no stream of income.

The 1929 crash was caused by “too much leverage.” That’s a fancy way of saying people borrowed too much money, and pumped up the stock market. When investors came to their senses and realized that the market was too high, prices fell, and those who had borrowed the money with stocks as their collateral had nothing. Something similar happened with the mortgage market in 2008. Remember when people were saying that the sky was falling? It might have if the wrong people had been in charge.

Everything can turn to dust if the economy is mismanaged. Venezuela had one of the largest middle classes in South America. Then they elected Hugo Chaviz, and it all went to hell. That could happen here, if the radicals who want to redistribute income and assets and the environmental extremists took power. Some would say that other parts of the system would put them in check, but when the radicals control the system, nothing can stop them.

One poster here talked about political “tribes.” In some ways, that’s true. There are members of the tribe who will not break with the party line on both sides. Neither will listen to the other. So a radical faction could take control and run it all to the ground.

Back in the 1930’s, Sinclair Lewis wrote a book that was called It Can’t Happen Here. The premise was a radical, like Huey Long, became president instead of Franklin Roosevelt. The rabble rouser promised wealth, but all he deliveried was tyranny, and eventually even he was cast aside. The country went to hell. “It can’t happen here?” Yes, it can.

 

So don't do it.

 

There is a difficult to find book out there titled "And Not a Shot Is Fired" by Jan Kozak that's all about the Czechs fall to communism. That's happening here too.

 

A good example of man made climate change is the Aral Sea in Central Asia. The Soviet Union made a series of canals along the rivers that fed into the Aral Sea. The result is that the Aral Sea is pretty much gone today. The effects of the Aral Sea disappearing has changed the climate in the region irreversibly. Now some may argue that this is not an example of global climate change and I agree but the consequences of humanity doing **** like this is becoming more obvious.

It’s been a while since I have watched more than just the first 30 seconds of this video but he explains the environmental and geopolitical events quite well. I really like this guy’s videos and watch a lot of them.

I think that if you look at water management throughout the globe you can see how dwindling water supply as a result of over-population and mismanagement is contributing to local climate change and that also reflects climate change on a global level. The glaciers are receding at unprecedented rates and the result is going to be a world that sources and manages water in a much different way than the world we grew up in.

https://youtu.be/lp0Sxn42TGs

He had a series of videos that focus on water management and how it is contributing to geopolitical instability. If you haven’t already watched, I highly recommend.

 

Dirty Rotten Imbecel, you forget your D.R.I..-

'... they await the final hour as happy as they are sick laughing so hysterically at all of those they've tricked!'

Follow the money they say, follow the money. It's a wealth redistribution scheme, a Reverse Robbin Hood- stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

'...But then who am I to tell you who to beleive in, with all the masks it's just so damn deceiving...

..How can I say to you "you be free!" , ...'

 

I don't.

 

There aren't any communists in America.

In fact, we're working to keep them out of Ukraine!

 

That what they want us to think. I think the leftists just want to fight a proxy war with Russia because trump colluded with Russia.

That's the impression I'm getting.