The coming indictment of Donald Trump will break his power: former Obama lawyer

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  1. Alwayssa

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    Social spending was launched by the Lincoln Administration. It was expanded under FDR under the Great New Deal and went full drunken sailor during WW2, retracted after WW2 and then the War on Poverty by the Johnson Administration. It was even expanded under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama,.

    But doesn't that prove Langley's point? If Mississippi, a very conservative state, has its own state pension and health care system, supported by government funding, is that not also social programs?


    That would violate the interstate commerce clause, among others. Won't happen


    Do you mean like farmers in the midwest who get free goodies for NOT planting certain crops? Or free goodies by corporations who get free money to continue their business ventures because the government encourages it?

    Whether a person is a Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or independent, does not make a person a "partisan." A partisan is a person who only believes in their political idealogy and will not even consider other points of view.


    This is not about the status quo vs whatever your alternative is. All you are arguing is about control, your, or your political affiliates, control over everything. All you are doing is repeating the same things that even Karl Marx and Richard Engel were saying in the late 19th century but saying it in a different way,. It is still the same old, tired argument.
     
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    He's also a former Obama lawyer -read the thread title, not my fault he saw the error of his ways. :lol:
     
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  3. LangleyMan

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    Of course, revenue would be "slashed." Money going from states like California to the feds and then on to MIssissippi would stay in California. Mississippi would get poorer without the federal transfer.
    Yeah, the feds wouldn't have tax revenue to transfer to poor states.
    "Reporting to the states?" You're suggesting something other than our federal system.
    I can't imagine where you get your "concept" because I've never seen an economist, historian or political scientist who supports your thinking.

    I tried to show you what happened when the Depression hit in 1930 and Republicans were ideologically disposed to having charity deal with really high unemployment. It wasn't enough and people turned them out of office for more than a half century.

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    The Republicans in Congress went from 270 seats in 1928 to 117 seats in 1932.
     
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  5. dairyair

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    Again, you post nothing but your opinion.
    Try giving some facts, backed up by links or policies.

    I don't believe your personal opinion. But give some real details and give something to debate against besides false lies, IE conspiracy theories.

    Since Biden, in your opinion, was responsible for over $5 gas, then he is now responsible for sub $3 gas.

    How much more did Venezuala and Saudi increase oil production.
    Did Saudi not say they are reducing supply, yes they did.

    If you ever go to college, learn how to back up claims you make. Then it won't be taken as made up.
     
  6. LangleyMan

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    None of which is going to have a huge influence on prices in the short time Old Joe has been President.
    I gave you an example of a problem with Texas restaurants. Sailed right over your head. How well would you be doing without the federal spending you dislike?
    This doesn't even make sense.

    The vaccines cut down on infections until Omicron. What the vaccines do with Omicron is keep people out of the hospital by reducing the severity of the infection. If you're over 50, getting vaccinated is probably a good idea.
    My grandson is in Grade 11 in British Columbia. Straight A's. He's taking Calculus and computer programming. He's in his 12th year of language immersion in French. The only time he was at home was in May 2020 when the schools went online for a month while they reorganized instruction. I already told you about how covid killed Texans at several times the rate in British Columbia.
    Blue states have the highest state GDPs. You might note that Texas home prices went up 20% in the past year. What is grandstanding Abbott doing about home prices?

    The point is that Texas isn't special.
     
  7. AARguy

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    Poor widdle libbies get all skeert if a protester is seen with a sharpened pencil.
     
  8. AARguy

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    FDR wasn't at D-Day either, but the CINC gets a lot of the credit.
     
  9. AARguy

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    Biden has depleted our national oil reserves:
    "President Joe Biden has overseen the biggest drop in the U.S. strategic petroleum reserve since the reserve began in 1977. The supply is now at its lowest point in 38 years." https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/10/bidens-draining-us-oil-reserve-now-at-38-year-low/

    Biden gave us $5 gas. Now we should be thankful that's its still a dollar more than the day he took office? That's kinda silly.

    Yes... Saudi told Biden to pound sand.

    By the way. I am a West Point graduate ("Courage and Drive! '75!) with an MBA from Missouri... how about YOU?
     
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    Biden's war on the American oil industry has screwed us for two years... how much MORE do you want?

    The federal government runs Texas restaurants? here did you get THAT from?

    Biden got vaxxed... and got the China Virus. "Nuff said

    I'm aware of Texas home prices going up. I'm a Texas homeowner... YEE HAA!! Thank you Governor Abbott!!!
     
  11. dairyair

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    And now in many places, especially in the south red states, they are at $3 or less. So he replenished our oil reserves? Election has been over for a month now.
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    https://gasprices.aaa.com/page/2/
     
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    So, in your opinion we should thank Biden for a year of $5 gas due to his policies and now celebrate him for having the national average gas prices down to a number still over a dollar more than the day he took office? (It was $2.37 that day.) Really? Thank him for the $5 and celebrate him now that its only a dollar more than when he took office? Really?
     
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    No.

    You should do that.

    I have stated over and over, to you explicitly that the president doesn't control world oil/gas prices.
    Market does.
     
  14. AARguy

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    Ok. One more time... Biden cut US oil production while increasing global demand by begging other countries to increase their production to keep down oil prices. When you cut production and increase demand globally... you increase prices globally. If this is too difficult for you to understand, ask a friend or relative to help you out with it.
     
  15. fmw

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    Federal transfers would be illegal.

    Or any state.

    No, we would still have a federal government but it would get its revenue from the states, not the people. The states would get their revenue from the people.

    Economists, historians and political scientists don't think out of the box. They are like you fussing with the status quo. Can't I have original ideas?

    I repeat, under my plan social spending wouldn't exist in federal government. It would be handled by the states. I'm tired of answering the same things over and over. Let's just disagree and move onward.
     
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    OK.

    Of course. They aren't federal social programs. I'm not against social spending. I'm against it in federal government

    None of my ideas will happen.

    These are government corruption. They make my point pretty well. My vision of federal government would be limiting what it does to defending the nation, dealing with other nations, maintaining a stable currency and resolving inter state disputes. Well there is a requirement for a federal postal system in the constitution. Everything else would go to the states, the private sector or the trash can.

    OK you have a definition and I have one.

    I guess I am going to have to write the book. Nobody understands the idea of changing the status quo. My plan destroys the status quo but everybody wants to criticize is by using the status quo.
     
  17. LangleyMan

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    At least FDR didn't totally screw up our war effort.
     
  18. LangleyMan

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    Gasoline briefly touched $5/gallon. :roll: Biden is pandering to an element on the left who have made every energy project something to oppose. It doesn't matter if the project is one we should do to make burning fossil fuels as efficient as possible.
    Biden shouldn't have run his mouth about Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi. An unforced error.
    University majors in Economics, Business and History. Ran my own business, sold out and made money investing. Taught school because I wanted to contribute.

    Your education makes me far less tolerant of your BSing around gasoline prices and the economy generally. You either know better or should know better. I'm not interested in having a conversation where you mug for forum morons and use messages to me as your device.
     
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    I don't want any of it, but Joe's 'war on oil' isn't the cause of today's high gasoline prices.
    Where did you get the idea I made that absurd claim?
    No, not "Nuff said." The current vaccines only briefly reduce one's chance of getting covid, but they do help people stay out of the hospital. People over 50 benefit from getting vaccinated.
    Homes prices are a zero sum game where your unwarranted gain is someone else's loss.
     
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    Only if you change the Constitution.
    You make up stuff as you go along. Absurd.
    You might try grounding them in reality.
    You keep spouting BS. Why should I ignore it?
     
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    You finally descended to insult. I'm gone.
     
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    You've launched into a personal attack. It's best that you go.
     
  23. dairyair

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    That's not true, I don't know if you just make these statements knowing they are false or simply don't know period.
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    https://www.macrotrends.net/2562/us-crude-oil-production-historical-chart
     
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    Your excuses why Biden caused gas prices to skyrocket (pandering to the radical left, , "running his mouth" about Khashoggi, etc... simply EXPLAINS how he caused gas prices to skyrocket. It does not change the fact that he caused gas prices to skyrocket.

    Ah... I see.. a fluffy set of degrees. Another citizen that owns an iPhone but can't explain how the magic text and pictures fly through the air and land in the little magic box.
     
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    Joe's war on oil is exactly why we pay so much for gas today.

    Vaccines prevent disease, not mitigate it.

    I love housing prices going up. Like gold, silver, stocks and anything else I invest in... I love when my investments appreciate.
     

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