The Consensus of Scientists

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  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Oh, so you are a Climatologist? Have you written textbooks on the subject like Cooke? Do you teach University classes on the subject? Please tell everybody who you are, so we can ooh and aah at your posts.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Donor

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    Cooke isn't a climatologist either so what is your point? He is a failed cartoonist that took classes in psychology. That was after he started his alarmist blog.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    He has a phD, and Bachelor of Science in Physics. He co-authored 2 books with Climate Scientists. One can learn a lot, in that capacity. What kind of phD do you have? What is your Bachelor of Science degree in?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Donor

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    LOL, he had to clean up his image a bit. Go back a little in time and this is what was originally on SKS.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20080213042858/http://www.skepticalscience.com/page.php?p=3


    He had a great pic of himself dressed as a Nazi.
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Rajendra K. Pachauri (Chair)(PHD Industrial Eng. MS industrial Engineering, Ms Economics), Myles R. Allen (No degrees listed, Prof. Of Geosysem Science school of Geography Oxford), Vicente R. Barros (contributor to IPCC), John Broome (BA mathematics & Economics, PHD Economics, MA Philosophy), Wolfgang Cramer (geography diploma, PHD plant ecology), Renate Christ (PHD philosophy, MS biology, earth sciences), John A. Church (BS physics, PHD philosophy), Leon Clarke (PHD & BS Engineering-Economic Systems, BS & MS Mechanical Engineering ), Qin Dahe (glaciologist), Purnamita Dasgupta (BS, MA, PH Economics), Navroz K. Dubash (MA & PHD energy & Resources, AB public & Int. affairs), Ottmar Edenhofer (BA Philosophy, PHD Econommics), Ismail Elgizouli (BS Physics & Mathmatics, MS Operational research and statistics), Christopher B. Field (PHD Biology), Piers Forster (BS Physics, MS meteorolgy), Pierre Friedlingstein (Prof. Mathmatic modeling), Jan Fuglestvedt (MS Environmental chemistry, PHD atmospheric chemistry), Luis Gomez-Echeverri (BA business, MA Environmental Management, MS Intl. Economic Affairs ), Stephane Hallegatte (Eng degrees, MS Meteorology, PHD Economics), Gabriele Hegerl (Prof Geosystems), Mark Howden (Prof. Climate Change Institute), Kejun Jiang (software enginer), Blanca Jimenez Cisneros (BS Environmental Engineering, MS & PHD Wastewater Treatment), Vladimir Kattsov (PHD physical and mathematical science), Hoesung Lee (PHD Economics), Katharine J. Mach (PhD Biology, AB Biology), Jochem Marotzke (PHD Physics), Michael D. Mastrandrea (PHD Interdisciplinary Program in Environment and Resources), Leo Meyer (Climate Consultant), Jan Minx (PHD Environmental Economics), Yacob Mulugetta (Prof of Energy & Development), Karen O’Brien (Prof. Sociology and Human Geography), Michael Oppenheimer (SB in Chemistry, PHD in Chemical Physics), Joy J. Pereira (Prof. Environment & Development), Ramón Pichs-Madruga (Economics), Gian-Kasper Plattner (PHD Environmental Physics), Hans-Otto Pörtner (Physiology, zoology, marine biology), Scott B. Power (BS Biology), Benjamin Preston (?), N.H. Ravindranath (agriculture), Andy Reisinger (agriculture), Keywan Riahi (Energy), Matilde Rusticucci (Meteorology), Robert Scholes (Environmental sciences), Kristin Seyboth (editor, consultant), Youba Sokona (Honorary Professor), Robert Stavins (Prof. Energy & Economic Development), Thomas F. Stocker (Physics), Petra Tschakert (PHD anthropology and land resources), Detlef van Vuuren (MS Chemistry & Environmental Science), Jean-Pascal van Ypersele (PHD Physics)

    I went through the names and included their degrees if I could find the information...there is a spot in the video where it states that the (2:15 - ) it states that the highest level of climate scientist, the higher level of agreement on AGW...So I went through and listed the named authors and their degrees or area of expertise...The ones in bold are what I would consider the highest level of expertise in climate science, the rest are relatable and contributive but are not meteorologist as the graph in the video states.



    http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/

    Dr. Roy Spencer has a PHD in Meteorology and is a current NASA scientist.
     
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    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just want scientific proof that politics can solve a problem like AGW.
     
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    Why are you affraid to post their field of study's?



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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meteorologist don't impress me as real scientist anyway, half the little girls doing weather on local TV news are meteorologist.
     
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    Hey it is the video itself that claims meteorologists are the highest level of expertise, fast forward the video to 2:15 and then look at the graph that states 97% of meteorologist are in support of AGW.
     
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    No it doesn't. You may want to revisit.
     
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    Sorry my mistake, meteorologist is the middle of the graph, climate scientist is the highest educated and most agreeable to AGW...So what degree is a climate scientist? I've never seen an actual Bachelor of Science in climate science...So what degree defines a climate scientist?
     
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    I'm certainly not the expert on all the degree offerings at different levels - MS, MS, phD... However here is one University's description of a Bachelor's of Science in Climate Science.

    Climate science is the comprehensive study of the Earth’s climate system, including the atmosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere (frozen water), land surface and biosphere.

    With a focus on developing research and practical skills, you’ll examine issues such as climate change, the El Niño–Southern Oscillation, drought, flood, tropical cyclones, and interactions with human society.

    Here's a description of a Masters Degree from UC San Diego:

    The UC San Diego Master's Degree in Climate Science and Policy equips professionals with the knowledge they need to improve society's response to climate change. It is focused on development of local capacity and science-based management tools. The program is designed to teach current and future professionals about climate science from the scientific, economic and policy perspectives, as well as provide important cultural and communications skills.
     
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    The Master of Advanced Studies program in Climate Science and Policy responds to an international need for people working in topics affected by the world's changing oceans and climate to combine the scientific knowledge of the Earth's climate system with an understanding of the political, legal, and economic challenges associated with applying scientific knowledge in particular governmental and social contexts. The program's interdisciplinary curriculum is designed to prepare practitioners to make wise and realistic decisions about the management of climate impacts and their associated risks. Crossing a variety of fields in climate sciences, policy and communication, the program invites students with professional backgrounds in the private and public sectors as well as non-government organizations (NGOs).

    The program is most appropriate for professionals in the following roles:
    • Managers in CleanTech and related industries from all regions of the world
    • Practicing ocean, climate and other natural scientists
    • Educators
    • Science policy analysts and advocates
    • Communications specialists
    • Financial experts
    • Insurance officers
    • Environmental engineers and military officers
    • Experts in the energy sector
    • Managers of utility services
    • Environmental law practitioners
    • Journalists
    https://scripps.ucsd.edu/masters/mas/climate-science-and-policy

    So according to this, you don't necessarily have to be a scientist, to get a Masters Degree in Climate Science and Policy. It reads more like a political degree than a scientific one.
     
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    There's probably some truth in what you say. However, usually one has a BS, prior to a Masters. Not sure if a BS in Climate Science is a prerequisite, which would include a lot of the science. Sometimes universities are flexible, and will accept other BS degrees. My experience is that if you get into an upper-level class, it's assumed you have the background knowledge necessary (in this case, the climate science). If not, the student will generally have a hard time keeping up...
     
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    So meteorologist themselves claim they are the highest level of expertise, that's hilarious
     
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    Politics are not capable of reducing the amount of fossil fuel electrical energy generation to significantly reduce the rate of CO2 emissions increase. Any politician who tried to do this would be voted out of office. This is the Iron Law of Climate Policy. The only way to respond to the consequences of AGW (whatever they may be - they are net positive for the next ~ 3 deg C increase) is through economic growth and adaptation. Cities are 2 - 3 deg C warmer than the surrounding rural areas - the people living in the cities adapt.
     
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    No, we've been down that road on this thread. That was misquoted from the Denial101 video.
     
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    Perhaps you should look at the source of funding for Dr. Roy Spencer (below). This is the tactic of the fossil fuel industry. Pay people with credentials to flip. Spencer admits that he believes in Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW). He admits that he is part of the 97-98%. So let's start there.

    The word that was utilized in most of the 97-98% polls, was "significant". In other words - the results of AGW will be significant. If Dr. Spencer says he is part of the poll group, then he agreed to a "significant" climate result from AGW. Now the money starts coming out, and he publicly says it's not significant.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-spencer-peabody-energy_us_57601e12e4b053d43306535e

    One of the world’s largest coal companies, Peabody Energy, paid a prominent scientist and dozens of others to promote climate change denial, new documents reveal.

    The company’s list of creditors, filed to comply with financial disclosure requirements as part of its recent bankruptcy, shows just how many different organizations and individuals Peabody Energy paid to deny climate change. The watchdog group Center for Media and Democracy published a breakdown of creditors that details their affiliations.

    One such creditor is Roy Spencer, who teaches at the University of Alabama, Huntsville.
     
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    LOL, a climate alarmist site that provides misinformation for the gullible.
     
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    Relatively short list of scientist compared to the list of scientist I posted earlier that don't buy into the agw hysteria. So much for the 97% BS.
     
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