The Cool Down Is Coming

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  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    History or Nat Geo . channels are
    pumping the idea it was an
    American Volcano circa 536AD - King Arthur dead time
    I prefer Indonesia/Malaysia volcano myself
    or might global volcanism have no concern for "us"


    ARE WE PREPARED FOR A GLOBAL COOL DOWN
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-having-snowiest-february-70-194740434.html
    Seattle is having its snowiest February in 70 years –
    and more is on the way

    Hold on to your warm, woolen hats, Seattle: You are not out of the icebox yet.

    After a weekend snowstorm pummeled the normally mild Northwestern city – making this month the city's snowiest February since 1949, according to AccuWeather – another one-two punch is expected this week.

    The next snowstorm is forecast to hit Sunday night, bringing 1-2 inches of snow, AccuWeather said, and another would pile on 3-6 inches Monday afternoon into Tuesday.

    The snow will ride a wave of record cold: High temperatures were expected in the upper 20s to low 30s, with wind chills from 17 to 22 degrees.

    The brutal weather has already wreaked havoc on a city more accustomed to rain than snow. Seattle normally averages only 0.7 inch of snow each February.





    How nice since Seattle is one of them Global Warming Alarmist capitols.
    What next? Snow in San Francisco?




    Moi :oldman:
    Are YOU Prepared
    For The Cool Down





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    So? Why do you think that's out of the ordinary? You're confusing weather with climate again.​

    Your denier side has been hysterically predicting cooling non-stop for over 40 years. Those wild-eyed alarmist predictions have been failing for over 40 years. Given your perfect record of failure, why should anyone trust your latest prediction of cooling?

    In contrast, our good science has been correct for those 40 years. We said average temps would keep rising. They did. For example, that supposedly "record cold" January? Over the continental USA in January 2019, average temperatures were _higher_ than normal

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    See? We were right again.

    And no, we don't get tired of being proven correct over and over. Like Cassandra, we just get tired of not being listened to.
     
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    @mamooth

    Remember 1816!



    And Climate Changes
    Just Like the Weather!
     
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    I'm glad you brought this up. The year without a summer was caused by Mt. Tambora which is classified as a VEI 7 eruption. This demonstrates that the climate system is influenced by many factors. It's not just the Sun or just CO2. It's the net effect of everything. And scientists are well aware of this. In fact, it is the eruptions of volcanoes like Mt. Tambora, Pinatubo, etc. that have allowed scientists to calibrate the climate sensitivity. If you accept that the climate is sensitive to the radiative forcing of a volcano then you must accept that the same sensitivity is in effect with from other actors that produce the same magnitude of radiative forcing.
     
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    Speaking of which. Tambora expelled an estimated
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Mount-Tambora

    The volume of the earths atmosphere is
    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070811190014AAPwjNt&guccounter=1

    So Tambora expelled about 150/1,918,448,800, which is about 0.075 parts per million by volume.

    CO2 concentrations have increased from a historical maximum of 300 parts per million [over the last 800,000 years], to 400 ppm.

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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Too Hot these last few weeks?
    Tropical Storms creating heat & humidity
    at "my" desert by the sea, Southern California coast.


    Well, our Earth Thermal History is about
    to experience a calling

    https://news.yahoo.com/sinabung-volcano-spews-burst-hot-081805776.html

    Associated Press
    August 23, 2020, 1:18 AM PDT·1 min read

    A rumbling volcano in western Indonesia unleashed an avalanche of scorching clouds down its slopes on Sunday.

    Authorities are closely monitoring Mount Sinabung on Sumatra, one of Indonesia’s main islands, after sensors picked up increasing activity in past weeks.

    The volcano in North Sumatra province was shooting smoke and ash more than 3,280 feet into the air on Sunday morning, and hot ash clouds traveled 0.6 miles southeast, Indonesia’s Volcanology and Geological Hazard Mitigation Center said.



    An indication for the coming cool down timed with a solar minimum.
    The Earth :worship: goddess shepherds "us".

    The Cool Down is Coming!



    Moi
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    Imagine applying for a science grant
    with good science, just the cool down voids it






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    :flagcanada: Knows "ICE POWER"!
     
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    Was I way, way, way off in this post, in your opinion?????

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ou-participate.196168/page-21#post-1071981793


     
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    Do a search on 'Keeling Curve', there are numerous links. The one at UC San Diego Scripps Institute of Oceanography has a series of charts showing atmospheric CO2 concentrations going back a 800K years. Other websites are easily found show temperatures from very ancient times to present. It is very obvious that since the Industrial Age started in the mid-1700s both CO2 and now temperatures have been rising, it has been shown there is a direct correlation. Note also that positive feedback loops have been triggered that contribute to the warming and CO2 levels.
    You are correct, some simply don't accept known facts, I am amazed by this phenomenon. And a couple people were seemingly intelligent people, one was a lawyer.
     
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    However, despite that complexity, the climate models are quite accurate. A year or two ago at least one model was used to run a hindcast going back a few decades to the present. The warming trend indicated by the model matched what had actually happened globally. That is about the only way one can assess the accuracy of a climate model. What was interesting was that when the CO2 component was taken out the results fell apart. Putting in the ever increasing CO2 component based on acutal measurements resulted in a very accurate 'forecast' over the past few decades. This should give one confidence in the model's ability to make forecasts going forward a few decades. Btw, some of the world's most powerful supercomputers are being used to run some of these climate models.
     
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    Really? Wow!

    Consider a mixture of gases
    trapped in a bubble in ice.


    Is that mixture "static" and true of what the mixture was composed of when created.
    What of the individual gases?
    Their molecular weight.
    Polarity as water is polar.
    Any diffusion?



    "But Moi", screams the peanut gallery
    It Is Science :worship:
    Science as communicated by Science's priest scientists.

    Refute global warming, be a heretic

    No Science Grant $ $ for you!


    Moi :oldman:





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    And there will be another ice age likely put off just a bit if global warming is even real.
    Seems to me that when this happens unbelievable amounts of acreage will be unavailable for agriculture that still would be under warming conditions.
    The last ice age showed that vast areas not under ice were severely drought ridden.
    So choose your poison.
     
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    This is what I found:

    "...Although detailed statistics are not kept on daily activity, generally there are around 20 volcanoes actively erupting at any particular time..."

    The difference I think would be the size of the volcanoes and the eruptions. One or two major eruptions in 536 made it the worse year in history - or rather the worse decade. It started the dark ages and they were dark. There were famines, and this is what began the invasions that destroyed the Roman Empire.

    I believe that every change in history - good and bad - had to do with climate change - even the Bubonic plague. I think it was the farm failures in Eastern Europe and Germany and the drought and dust storms in Oklahoma and Texas that brought on the Great Depression which eventually led to WWII, and that it was not the failure of small bank in the Middle West.


    Anyway it's about time that we paid attention to our architecture and landscape and began adapting to the climate, rather than wanting the climate to adapt to us. There is no reason for Americans to be at the mercy of the elements, and not to be self sufficient in energy as well as in food. I think indoor vertical gardens should be as much a fixture in our kitchens as our refrigerators.
     
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    @Jeannette

    The Cool Down Is Coming

    Volcano activity in Indonesia has been a proven recipe for a cool down.

    Thousands flee erupting Indonesian volcano
    Indonesia has nearly 130 active volcanoes, more than any other country, and while many show high levels of activity it can be weeks or even months before an eruption. . .
    . . . the area near the volcano is likely to be inundated with "hot clouds, lava stream, lava avalanche, and poisonous gas". . . Almost as bad as Covid.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-flee-erupting-indonesian-volcano-163228407.html
    led me to Youtube.


    A volcano in Indonesia's East Nusa Tenggara province erupted on Sunday, spewing ash and smoke as high as four kilometres into the sky and forcing more than 2,700 residents to seek refuge, the country's disaster mitigation agency said. Indonesia has nearly 130 active volcanoes, more than any other country, and while many show high levels of activity it can be weeks or even months before an eruption. Raditya Jati, a spokesman for the agency, said in a statement that the eruption from the Mt. Ile Lewotolok volcano, about 2,600 kilometers east of Indonesia's capital of Jakarta, had caused panic among those living nearby. About 2,780 people from 26 villages had sought refuge, although no casualties have so far been reported, Jati said. Muhammad Ilham, a 17-year-old who witnessed the eruption, said residents nearby were "panicked and they're still looking for refuge and in need of money right now." Indonesia's Volcanology and Geological Hazard Mitigation Centre said on its website that the area near the volcano is likely to be inundated with "hot clouds, lava stream, lava avalanche and poisonous gas." Kasbani, the head of the center, said the status of the volcano was raised to the second-highest level on Indonesia's four-tier alert system due to "increasing threats." For more info, please go to http://www.globalnews.ca


    Imagine food production & distribution with even a Little Ice Age.
    And that happens faster than the current Warm Up. :eekeyes:


    Moi
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    Note that the cooldowns are temporary. Global warming isn't. It will continue right through any cooldown and make the cooldown less impactful. Yes, scientists thought of this before you did.
     
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    Wow! Have you submitted this to the scientists?!?! Won't they be surprised!
     
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    Au contraire

    Warm ups are temporary.
    We are lucky to live during an interglacial period.


    Moi
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    :flagcanada: Keeps The
    Secret of Ice
     
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    Diving For Dollars
    Scientist
    can not acquire funding if they don't
    support the Warm Up Dogma.


    Get It

    Or Not!


    Most scientist today produce results they
    are paid to produce!
    Consider EIR or Drug Studies.


    Moi :oldman:





    :flagcanada: Required An :flagus:
    To Isolate Insulin
     
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    Along the way through history there are innumerable short term events that cause warming or cooling. Everything from multiple volcanic activity to sun spot activity. Some line up with political events such as the fall of the Roman empire, some don't. From memory the Roman empire was weakened by a slight warming period which enabled mosquito's to cross from Africa and spread Malaria, which Europeans had no resistance to. Then finished by war.
    The Medieval warm period was due to release of trapped Co2 from frozen lakes which was originally triggered by sunspot activity.
    The Co2 release is why it lasted far longer than the sunspot activity.

    Ice ages are caused by the Milankovitch effect which is the Earths path around the sun getting closer and then further away and changing its tilt. This is well understood and mapped so we know the next ice age begins in about 70,000 years.
    Mini ice ages are caused by the Maunder minimum which looks at sunspot activity compared to its minimum. But our sun has been on low for about 19 years now and is therefore highly unlikely to cool and more likely to warm though not in any foreseeable future.
     
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    Large volcanic eruptions cause global cooling in the first because of the high dust cloud sometimes lasting 5 to 10 years, then longer term warming effects from the Co2 they also eject that stays in the atmosphere for around 500 years.
     
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    An interglacial period lasting a couple of hundred thousand years. Not really lucky as it were.
    An ice age is not going to save us from man made global warming, nor make us grateful for it.
    Warm ups are only temporary if there cause is temporary, such as sunspot activity.
    The one we are making will last as long as we keep making it and be as hot as we make it.
     

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