The Cowboy Church, Vol 2

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  1. OverDrive

    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will agree that some ppl need that rigid structure of accountability. There was a jump many years ago in 'Discipleship" type churches, where the man was head over the wife, and had to go to the Pastor in making major family decisions. That's bunk!
    More bondage to the will of men...

    The one who reads, studies, and searches the scriptures with an open heart doesnt need a 'keeper' to answer to....the Holy Spirit is called our guide, teacher, comforter, and the One who leads us into all truth..."When He sets you free, you are free indeed."
     
  2. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Haven't posted on this thread for awhile, but the Cowboy Church is alive and thriving. Yesterday's sermon was about the future of our country and how it will take Christians standing up for America to get us back on the right track. I say, amen to that.
     
  3. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Lots of good folks...

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  4. crank

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    so Christians will save America, is that right?

    How do they plan to do that?
     
  5. dairyair

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    I don't think today's americans are that stupid to fall for that trick again.
     
  6. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    If it gets saved. Whether or not we can recover from the damage that's already been done remains to be seen.

    It was an interesting topic and at one point Bro Gary asked folks to rate themselves as Christians on a scale of 1-10. He said the majority of people will respond 5-7, not because they think they're bad Christians, but because it's very difficult to be a 8-10 Christian in today's world.

    Amen to that.

    The sermon was about the Path to Revival... and you can hear the whole thing here: http://cowboyfaith.org/about-us/

    There are a lot of us and we're organized. ;)

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  7. Think for myself

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    Speaking of the Cowboy Church and it's assorted movements, it seems that they are not atypical in regards to having within their organization a fellow of, well, let's say ill repute.

    More at the link.

    http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article3869354.html

    An Alvarado pastor already charged with indecency of a child for allegedly sexually abusing a teenage boy in 2000 and 2001 was arrested again Friday, now accused of molesting a different teen in 2005.

    Dan Haby Jr., pastor of the Cowboy Way Church, turned himself in Friday afternoon at the Tarrant County Jail on an arrest warrant accusing him of indecency with a child/fondling. He was released at about 1:30 a.m. after posting a $15,000 bond, county records show.

    Haby, 51, had been charged last month with indecency of a child/fondling on allegations that he sexually abused a teen he had been mentoring while pastor of the now-defunct Stockyards Community Church.

    In that case, the alleged victim, now 29, told police that the abuse began in 2000, when he was 15, and occurred at Haby’s then Fort Worth home on Creston Avenue.

    The second alleged victim, 25, contacted Fort Worth police detective C.W. Daniels on July 31 after news reports about Haby’s arrest appeared in the Star-Telegram and Cleburne Times, according to a Fort Worth police report filed Thursday.

    The man “reported that he had recently learned of Haby’s arrest and he too was sexually abused by Haby,” the police report states.

    Sgt. James Thomson, supervisor of the crimes against children unit, said Friday that the alleged abuse of the second teen occurred in 2005 and happened one time.

    The report indicates the alleged abuse also occurred at the house on Creston Avenue.

    Haby, who continues to post on the Cowboy Way Church Facebook page almost daily, has previously declined to comment through others, referring questions to his attorney.

    Attorney Mark Daniel, who is now representing Haby, said Friday that he was aware of the new allegation against his client.

    “We haven’t been made aware of all the facts concerning it yet,” Daniel said. “We’re going to begin our own investigation work, and we’ll certainly be prepared to defend it at an appropriate time.”

    ‘Tears in his eyes’

    Though other church leaders have not commented on the allegations against their pastor, in an Aug. 3 sermon available online, visiting Pastor Randy Free addressed the congregation on the matter.

    “Today our church finds itself in a very unusual place. Our beloved pastor finds himself in the greatest spiritual battle of his life and his ministry and it’s a battle that also affects this church,” Free said. “However there is a silver lining behind this storm cloud. ... That is that Dan’s God and our God has never lost a battle. And he's not about to lose this one.”

    Free said while he was not allowed to speak about Haby’s case, he called on the church not to judge or condemn but be loving.

    “We are going to cast the longest shadows mercy has ever cast toward everyone involved,” Free said.

    He told the congregation he had talked to Haby the previous day.

    “He had tears in his eyes as he told me how much he loves every single one of you and how me he appreciates ... your outpouring of love, your fervent prayers for him, and he is utterly determined to come through this storm victoriously,” Free said, drawing applause and shouts of support from church members.

    Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article3869354.html#storylink=cpy
     
  8. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    All you could find was a 6-month old story about a wayward preacher in another church in another city?

    What's your point, TFM? Or you just here to sling mud?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps.....[I]you just made the point?[/I]
     
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    sorry, you didn't answer my question. HOW will Christians save America? I'd like to know the specifics, please.

    and what is the damage you speak of? given your nation is at least starting to catch up with gains (in human rights, equality, environmental initiatives, education, lower crime rates, etc) made in other western nations, I'm unsure of what specifically this damage is.

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    yes, fat people and pensioners. look out world!
     
  11. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    It's nearly like examples falling from heaven, ain't it? :pray:

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    I'm sorry... where does it say I owe you an answer for anything? The thread is about the Cowboy Church. Not your little questions. Anything to add on topic?
     
  12. Think for myself

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    Does the time frame lessen what the fellow is accused of doing somehow? Does it being 6 months ago mean that child molestation is somehow not as repugnant to you?

    As for my point, whilst I appreciate this new sect, cult, group, religion, or however the Cowboy Church movement is defining opting to define itself, within its ranks there seems to be an element of rather typical Christian leadership, that being pedophiles. I think it begs the question, do these people aspire to leadership positions within churches specifically to prey upon children? Or is it because they know what they are and seek solace within Christianity?

    While this Cowboy Church movement may be unique and new int he way they play dress up, according to your reiteration of the sermon they are failing to be more Christ-ish due to the outside world, that being those not of their church. Does not not sound like an excuse to fail?
     
  13. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    There are billions of Christians and a handful of sex offenders. Again, what is your point? I know you hate it when people want to talk about gays and pedophiles. Why are you bringing it up here? Ever heard of Do Unto Others...?
     
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    So many of those Christian leaders seem to be pedophiles.

    Whilst I appreciate the novel nature of your church, clearly it is not without sin.

    I just found it interesting that while folks are waxing poetic about the virtues of the Cowboy Church movement, this is another side of it, a very real side. An honest side.
     
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    Right, so you have no idea HOW Christians are going to save America, you just know they will, or at least can. Did no one in your congregation think to ask the pastor how it would play out? Did not one of you want to know the mechanics of this saving?

    Incidentally, the idea of a religious/philosophical dialogue or debate is to ask and answer questions. So, once again, what is this 'damage', and how will Christians 'fix' it? if you don't mind. thanks.
     
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    They do a lot of good work like ministries for families of special needs children. When you find an atheist group that does similar work, you can tell us about that.

    I'm sure you know this, but just for the record, there are many churches that use the name cowboy... it doesn't mean they're affiliated. The word cowboy isn't a denomination. Somebody could start a cowboy atheist group if they were so inclined.
     
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    Are you scared, brother? :hiding:
     
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    are you interested in spreading the good cowboy word, or did you post that stuff about saving america just because it sounded noble?

    why won't you tell us how christians are going to save america?
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Listen to the sermon if you're interested in knowing what was said. I posted a link for you.
     
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    Can't do links I'm afraid - not using a computer. Can you synopsise how this saving will be effected, please.
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Sure you can... you got here, didn't ya?

    http://cowboyfaith.org/sermons/

    Afraid I couldn't do the sermon justice, but it's right here for you if you care to listen. No secrets... just have to reach out for answers.
     

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    Allow me to quote you.

     
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    Is this personal attack a tenet of the Cowboy Church?

    I am not amazed. So seldom do adherents of the Christ myth actually act like Christ.

    You said Cowboy Churches are a growing congregation.... now they are not? Which one is it? Are they a congregation or are they not? Can you please answer the question?
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Yes, here's the answer to your question. Follow the link to learn more.

    "Because of the American Fellowship’s roots, a large number of cowboy churches follow Baptist practices and theology. But dozens of others were founded by the Assemblies of God, a Pentecostal denomination. Still others are Methodist, Nazarene, and nondenominational. What binds cowboy churches together is a desire to reach people who have never gone to church, or at least have not been recently. “It just seems like people love to come and be in a relaxed atmosphere,” Copenhaver told me. “You don’t feel uncomfortable like you would if it’s your first time in a ‘real’ church."

    More: http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/where-have-all-cowboy-churches-come
     

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