The creeping fascism of Donald Trump

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    What of the facets of fascism is a breakdown on the rule of law, and removing accountability. From Trump's total defiance of all subpoena's and witnesses and thereby slashing the constitutional congressional oversight, to his bullying tactics of intimidation and installing fear into his senate such that they will not convict him, whereupon he knows he can get away with just about anything now, he further tests the system thus:


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    Mitt Romney!

    :roflol:

    But yes - Trump is The Most Dangerous Man Who Ever LIved.

    The only solution?

    Keep him in the White House until 2025.

    :salute:
     
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    It is time to admit that the grand experiment is a complete failure. Support the right of secession and eliminate the office of president.

    We saw how even Republican Senators wanted to support red states but not blue states. This country has been reduced to a pathetic joke. The great new countries comprised of the West Coast and Northeast will continue the American dream.

    Leave the red states to fend for themselves. See how long they last.
     
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  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Without the blue states to mooch off of, they won't last long at all.
     
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    It is a slow and murky process but he is trying to "drain the swamp." He won't succeed but at least he is trying.
     
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    It’s not a failure to drain the swamp. An endeavor doomed from the outset. It’s a failure to identify the swamp, “I have met the enemy and he is us.”

    It can be drained.
     
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    Be far more worried about creeping socialism/communism from democrats like Pelosi and Schumer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Your wonderful red states are tens of billions of dollars in the hole. They are about to collapse in to revolt.
     
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    Trump has done nothing outside the rule of law - even after being criticized for not doing so.

    See, if Trump were a fascist, he would have ordered the states to close down, and enforced it with federal troops.
    He also would have ordered a South Korea-like response to CV-19, forcibly quarantining infected but healthy people, making public the names, addresses and workplace of anyone who tested positive for CV-19 - and forced the infected to place a tracker/beacon app on their phones so everyone knows where they are.

    Nothing to see here, move along.
     
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    How is it Facist for the President to exercise the power the Constitution grants him? Firing an IG means nothing...there are many of them...investigations don't stop because one investigator leaves, or is removed.

    Frankly, a big sign of Facism is the fake news and fearmongering we are seeing with headlines like this OP
     
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    I want to be cautious using the word "fascist." However, Trump has overstepped his Constitutional powers and has gone so far as to claim it should be illegal to quote him directly when it makes him look bad or even to call his building designs ugly. However, this is probably more due to his stunted emotional and intellectual growth than any ideological adherence to fascism. He's a man-baby more than he is a dictator.
     
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    I agree. I said he would fail. It seems that you like it that way.
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

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    Trying? What part of installing just about every cabinent post with execs from Goldman & Sachs, just about everyone form there but Goldman & Sachs, equals "trying"?
     
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    I said "creeping fascism". Pay closer attention.
     
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    He fires 4 IGs. Why? Because he or his staff members don't like oversight. That's 'creeping fascism'. The fact that it's legal, doesn't account for 'intent'. You can't fire someone without just cause, and a clever guy like Trump will easily manufacture such a thing knowing that the sycophants in the republican senate will go right along with it, like the invertebrates they are. You're not fooling anyone here. We know what is really going on.

    And I didn't say 'fascism' I said 'creeping fascism'.

    Criticizing the fascistic tendencies (hence 'creeping' ) of this president is not fascism, it's patriotism. If you don't understand that, you are part of the problem.
     
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    Whatever qualifier you choose to use, it stems from nothing more than your obstinate and intolerant devotion to your partisan opinions and prejudices
     
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    He likes generals as well.
     
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    Demonstrate this to be true.
    Not the part where he fired the IGs, but the motive you claim.
     
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    Huh? Firing IGs doesn't stop oversight...oversight is a Congressional function...not an IG function....and firing a member of the IG stafff doesn't mean there aren't others.

    Try again.

    Of course I know what's going on...the party that used to to be the DNC is now run by the Castro loving Socialist, like Sanders, and ya'll done made your Socialist party "National." Using Brown shirt tactics and abuses of power to undo elections and use the offices you've been elected to oppress political rivals.
     
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    This is the weasel game you are playing. "intent" is pretty easy thing to get around, if you have repubs in the senate who are sycophants, and they most certainly are sycophants, excluding Romney.

    Okay, let's consider who Trump is, his past, remember he is the guy who...

    The guy who schtupped a porn star, paid her $130,000 hush money, got his attorney jailed and threw him under the bus,
    the guy who was fined $2,000,000 for charity fraud,
    the guy who helped russian mobsters launder millions for decades,
    the guy was negotiating to build a hotel in Moscow, and told the American public he had nothing going on in Russia,
    the guy who admitted on Howard Stern that he likes to barge in while teens are dressing to "inspect" them during pageants,
    the guy who dissed a war hero because he likes people 'who weren't captured',
    the guy who brags about grabbing women's genitals because, as a celebrity, he can get away with it,
    the guy who settled $25,000,000 in a class action lawsuit for screwing thousands out of millions for a fake university,
    the guy who said some mexicans, he presumes, 'are good people',
    the guy who said, as president 'I take no responsibility',
    they guy who said 'there was blood coming out of her eyes, there was blood coming out of her...wherever'
    the guy who said 'it doesn't really matter what they write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass.
    the guy who said 'if she weren't my daughter, I'd be dating her'
    the guy who said asked Russia, on TV, to commit cyber espionage on a candidate,
    the guy who has 22 women accusing him of sexual misconduct, some acts of which he bragged about,
    the guy who was sued over 100 times for not paying contractors,
    the guy who once tried to use eminent domain to screw a widow out of her home so he could build a limo garage,
    the guy who screwed over the good townspeople of Aberdeenshire Scotland so that he could build a golf course there......


    This idea that Trump's 'intent' regarding the firing of 4 IGs, as 'noble' and 'just' and 'in keeping with what the framers intented' DEFIES WHO TRUMP IS.

    Therefore, OCCAM'S RAZOR.

    WTFU.
     
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    YOU claimed intent. YOU claimed it as an integral part of your argument.
    For YOUR claim to mean anything, YOU need to demonstrate said intent.
    Which, from the lack of relevant substance in the remained of your post, you cannot.

    So, I challenge you again::
    Demonstrate this to be true.
    Not the part where he fired the IGs, but the motive you claim.

    GSIH
     
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    Don’t hold your breath on actual evidence being presented.
     
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    I wish I had a nickel every time some historically challenged individual incorrectly labeled something as fascism, I would be Oprah rich.
     
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    I don't. He'll weasel, him-haw, offer a few fallacies, and run.
     
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    Although generally I regard people who try to use "fascism" in 21st Century political discussion as simpletons, I'm willing to stretch that a little so I can find out what breakdown of law Trump is responsible for?
     
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