The Cyrus Challenge Experiment proposed....

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Will you attempt the Cyrus challenge / experiment / prayer?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    After I saw the following title.... I just could not resist.....
    I just had to turn this into something of an experiment / challenge!

    Why a $45 Trump prayer coin is no joke
    For the record Lance Wallnau is one of my favourite teachers.... he has serious chutzpah and wisdom but........ I really have the funny feeling that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, (The Ultimate Cyrus if my theology is even close to being correct).... has something much larger in mind...... .and Dr. Wallnau's coin.... sets something up that will help us to understand the humour of the Ancient of Days the Father and the Ancient of Days the Holy Spirit / Comforter... and of the Moshiach / Messiah!
    ..........
    If a Pagan King can be led by the right hand by G-d.....
    then why not an Agnostic or Atheist or any non-Christian.....

    Let's turn this into an experiment because I literally did this thirty years ago and I can assure you that since literally doing this I have been led to information on many subjects that I know I would never have found out if I had not prayed and asked about this.....

    This is actually beginning as a reply to a somewhat humorous thread over on another forum here.... but this could become a full fledged experiment.... and as you see results you can post what happened in your case.

    I will explain how I feel my own life was altered by this exact prayer that I began to do back in 1990 after my dad died and I went through something of a philosophical / theological crisis.

    Actually.... it is pretty encouraging that somebody could well be Pagan / Agnostic / Atheist and still be led by the right hand by G-d!

    1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

    2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

    3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

    4 For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

    5 ¶ I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

    6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else."

    I have a challenge for all the Atheists or Agnostics or Pagans here.........
    literally raise your right hand in the air.........
    pray and ask the Creator of the Universe to begin to lead you by the right hand and show you where you are wrong about serious things...........


    The name Cyrus was given by Isaiah more than a century before ancient King Cyrus came along and accomplished so much for the Creator..... but all of us can learn a lot from this......

    More information on how the prophecy of Cyrus could be relevant to 2019 in post #1:

    God and Donald Trump!


     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Warning..... it is dangerous for Christians, Messianic Gentiles, (such as myself), or Messianic Jews to attempt this experiment!!!!!!

    We might end up led to information such as:

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09
    If we Christians, Messianic Gentiles or Messianic Jews accept this challenge.... we might begin to go into the mind set of the Being of Light of NDE fame who is even quite polite and nice even to Atheists and Agnostics when He/ She meets them!!!!!

    Near-Death Experiences of Atheists
    By Kevin R. Williams, B.Sc.

    So if you are a devoted church going Christian... who is assured of their salvation.... WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE BECAUSE.... you might just go aposTate!!!!!
     
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  3. Swensson

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    Wherein lies the experiment?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is up to you to judge whether or not your literally sticking your right hand up in the air and praying and asking YHWH and / or Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to take you by the right hand....... has been answered or not?

    I did this beginning around 1990....... quite a number of times actually........ and I know that I know that I know that I KNOW that this prayer was answered again and again and again in my life!

    One of the changes in my world view that to my thinking is evidence that this prayer was answered in my life is that I had a general and significant decrease in what would have scared me back in 1988 before I prayed that way!
    I want to start an online outreach to Satanists....


    "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.…" (Matthew 7:7)

    A secondary proof is that gifted Christian psychics or prophets or prophetesses are given messages that fit with my having asked for something specific along that line........ please notice post #9:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ecided-to-leave-canadas-liberal-party.437324/


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...dan-israel-peace-deal.366835/#post-1064112080

    Sandra Johnston:
    Sandra Johnston:


    Eporu Ronald Alfred:
     
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    There isn't a certain way you have to pray for God to answer you Dennis.

    He knows what is in your heart.

    If you need a trinket or to wave your arms around or dance with snakes then that is fine, it's your thing, but it's not required.

    I pray in silence, by myself with nothing around me other than my bed, and God answers me just as well.
     
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    Then how is it an experiment? It sounds like your experiment is quite likely to generate false positive results.
     
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    That is of course a real possibility..........
    but from my own experience that risk is worth taking .........
    because if you pray that way you tend to get led to ideas that have the potential to decrease hostilities between nations.


    The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!


     
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    I don't think it is a risk worth taking. For starters, you're likely to get things wrong. On a hostilities-between-nations level, the other players in that game will figure out where you are wrong and assume you're trying to pull a fast one on them, making them more hostile.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I got a pretty good reaction to this write up so far:


    "Muslims Jews Christians Hindus mutual respect group" (Facebook group)


    Dennis Tate September 1, 2018

     
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    This doesn't at all seem to address my concerns. If it does, you need to explain how.
     
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    I just have to facepalm this all.

    What's going to be on the back of that coin? A picture of Nehemiah's wall?
     
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    After you pray the Cyrus prayer you will begin to have your attention drawn to how an Islamic prophecy:
    Can fit with a prediction that is believed by Jews and Christians:

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/35/1/s_714001

    The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

    Isa 35:6

    Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

    And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.


    The Carl Cantrell theory on stabilization of the climate fits well with all of these other writings.
     
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    I got it! I woke up quite early this morning with a variation on this experiment that actually would be verifiable.

    We Christians are told to pray for political leaders.....

    Just as I woke up I remembered an unusual writing from 2015:

    Steve Long
    Now there is no way that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus would want for Mr. Justin Trudeau to become national leader of Canada's Liberal Party and then G-d gets a shock as he becomes Prime Minister and behaves in a less than
    wise manner for these last four years!????

    So.... it seems to me that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is right where Messiah Yeshua - Jesus expected him to be............
    so...... if many of us will pray for him....... and ask for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to be given a spiritual experience........

    and have a massive change of heart.....
    the result would be measurable in a sense!

    I even have a suggestion for the direction that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau should be led in
    after he is given some sort of spiritual experience or dream or vision or something like that????

    Would a Basic Minimum Income dramatically reduce abortions?

    Will a Minimum Basic Income dramatically reduce the incidence of abortions?

    1. Perhaps by 1- 10 percent over the present rate.
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    2. Perhaps by 11 to twenty percent over the present rate.
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    3. Perhaps twenty one to thirty percent over the present rate.
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      Perhaps by even more than by thirty percent?
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    This is still severely lacking in verifiability. What counts as a massive change of heart? There seems to be a lot of assumptions of what God wants and what Trudeau wants which introduce uncertainties that you don't seem to have taken into account. There's also a bunch of stuff which you have not explained why it is relevant, like the poll at the end.
     
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    If P. M. Justin Trudeau were to initiate a policy that would distribute five hundred dollars per person per month to all thirty seven point six million Canadians I think that that would be a rather nice measuring instrument. Close to nineteen billion Canadian annually in the form of what could be termed a Social Credit Income Supplement.............

    More updates on this idea here in posts #10,11,12 and 13:
     
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    I don't see how that makes a particularly good measuring instrument. You have not explained why your explanation gives a particularly good angle for that to be a test, and you have not dealt with any other reasons why your signal might appear.
     
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    My ultimate point is that prayer has power to change our minds on many issues.......
    and on how we respond to the situations that face us......

    I personally believe that America and Canada are in the beginning of a spiritual awakening that
    will transform the economy of Canada and America over this next one hundred and fifty years.

    I am expecting political leaders to do quite courageous things in the near future that will somehow fit
    with Isaiah chapters forty two to forty six.


    That last sentence is a link to a possibility that I am hoping will happen over the coming seventeen months before the next USA Presidential election.
     
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    That doesn't make the rest of your statement into an experiment. An experiment should not only confirm that the right thing happens, but that it couldn't happen any other way, and you have not shown that. If you want to know if there is coke in a glass, it is not enough to show that your finger gets wet when you put it in there, you also have to show that it wasn't water.
     
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    Much of the ideas that I put out there in discussions like this are an attempt
    to encourage somebody with the background and the capability to do what I
    myself don't have either the qualifications, the experience or the knowledge of how to do?

    Perhaps you Swensson... could come up with a way to measure the results of something like this
    in a way that would have scientific validity?

    I am not sure exactly how to do that myself? I am merely a janitor at a school.... .I am no
    psychologist, but I do remember an experiment done by the members of a psychology class as
    explained by Dr. Gary Smalley in his book, "For Better or For Best." He stated that there was a
    psychology class who wondered if they could modify the behaviour of their professor.........
    by applying the basic idea of "LIGHTEN UP" when their prof lectured from near a heater in the classroom.......

    When their prof spoke from at or near that classroom heater... the class acted more attentive.......
    acted more interested.... responded more enthusiastically to his questions.... .and sure enough......
    soon their professor was giving his entire lecture from standing near or sitting on that heater in the classroom.
     
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    This is just an anecdote. There is more analysis needed to turn it into a good experiment (I reckon they did the rest of the analysis too, but the author of the book saw no need in including it). For instance, maybe the room went colder over the year, and the lecturer was warmer standing next to the heater. I'm not saying that is what happened, but the notion needs to be identified and addressed.

    I don't think there is a way to do that. Politics is too unpredictable to weed out false positives. You could "prove" anything you wanted if you just throw your net wide enough (i.e. it's not really proof, since you can "prove" it regardless of reality).

    It's like trying to stare into a closed box. If you have no access to the information in the box, the solution is not to come up with a bogus solution, but to accept that no conclusions can be drawn.
     
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    A fool and his money are soon parted.
     
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    Get readY to fearlessly go where you have not gone before both intellectually........
    as well as with your feet..... because the Bride of Messiah is about to ARISE!!!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-film-series-concept.558350/#post-1070748580

     
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    But what about the challenge put forward through Mr. Mark Taylor to
    millionaires and billionaires willing to compete with CNN and the CBC and actually
    cover all aspects of news events........ and not merely give the politically correct angle on
    what is happening?
     
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    This may give you some motivation to take this experiment somewhat more seriously......




     

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