The dread many feared has finally arrived

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The Dow has erased all of its gains for the year and posted an eight-day losing streak, its longest since March 2017. You are saying that doesn't concern you. What would concern you? Of course, Trumpians have to bury their heads in the sand because it is one disaster after another with Trump.

    You must be a Democrat. Protectionist tariffs are a liberal concept. They are the brainchild of Trump's Democrat, Peter Navarro.
     
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    Wheee! :applause:Congratulations. Trump bases his governance on fantasy, too. Let's just pretend all this is not happening -- The Trump cult mantra.

    Sure I will. Easy for me to say. It is not going to happen.

    Trump's answer when countries like China, Canada, and the EU retaliate? More tariffs, and on it goes until the Republican Party puts a stop to it.

    Or the Democrats after the November elections, which is far more likely.
     
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    In other words, our ‘partners’ will not lower their high tariffs.
     
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    There were a number of sources that came to the same conclusion as CNN. Moreover, the photo speaks for itself. This is not a friendly get-together.

    The Independent's source was Trump. He is the number one source for fake news. He lies and deceives consistently.

    The fact that he arrived late and left early from the G-7 summit tells you all you need to know about his unpopular presence. After he left, he attacked the prime minister of Canada.

    I know this is hard, but use your common sense. Trump just levied harsh tariffs on these nations. Do you honestly expect him to be greeted with open arms?
     
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    What high tariffs?
     
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    So you are not even aware of other countries tariffs?
     
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    Wasn't working in the SE US either.

    I don't watch CNN to see how the economy is doing, I watch the job market and my paycheck.
     
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    That's right, Donald Trump is the alpha male in the room while the other world leaders have to stand, Trump has the chair. :flagus::rock_slayer::unclesam::salute:
     
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    Did you ever think we would live to see the day that George Will called for Democrats to take over both houses of Congress? Impossible, but it has happened.

    George Will, a longtime political commentator and staunch defender of the conservative movement, tore into the Republican Party, citing the party’s support for Trump in the upcoming 2020 Presidential election while acting like sycophants to the erratic, impulsive, and incompetent President.

    On Friday, Will published a column in the Washington Post explaining his view. The column, titled Vote against the GOP this November, argued that the number of Republicans in Congress “must be substantially reduced.”

    He wrote, "Amid the carnage of Republican misrule in Washington, there is this glimmer of good news: The family-shredding policy along the southern border, the most telegenic recent example of misrule, clarified something. Occurring less than 140 days before elections that can reshape Congress, the policy has given independents and temperate Republicans the principle by which they should vote.

    "The principle: The congressional Republican caucuses must be substantially reduced."

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    Even if everything you say is true ( it is not ) none of that is reason to impeach a president.

    You seem to lack understanding of what impeachment is and how it works. It is not because you are personally opposed to him for partisan reasons or even if most of the country is opposed to him.

    You have to have a crime and you have none.
     
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    Even if everything you say is true ( it is not ) none of that is reason to impeach a president.

    You seem to lack understanding of what impeachment is and how it works. It is not because you are personally opposed to him for partisan reasons or even if most of the country is opposed to him.

    You have to have a crime and you have none.
     
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    And that is Canada's fault? Trump blaming our friends and trading partners for the results of a free market. That is so wrong.

    I am assuming nothing. But I do know what is happening. The market is very nervous. That alone causes problems. We have already lost all of our gains for this year.

    Trump's reaction to nations who retaliate is more tariffs. There won't be an agreement any time soon. This will go on until Congress grows some balls. They control revenue and expenditures, not the President. Unfortunately, the Republicans who control Congress are shaking in their boots. They don't dare question Trump -- even when he is badly wrong.

    Republicans are the free trade party and they are doing absolutely nothing.
     
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    I'm working on it. You picked one post. There are several.
     
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    What the mainstream business community does not get is Trump is immensely popular with the bulk of the Republican party for a reason. Because their free market policies badly failed workers. That the Republican party is no longer free trade, they drove free trade for decades should given them pause.

    Too few have benefited from free trade for it to be political feasible. Its supporters are in for a rude surprise in the future.
     
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    It is still a long way ahead of what it was in Jan 2017. The stock market is not for the timid. Now is the time to buy.
     
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    What is amusing is that populist on the right and socialist on the left could both care less what Wall Street thinks. And Wall Street does not get that...sharp learning curve ahead

    Economically Sanders's supporters have a lot more in common with Trump's base than they do with Wall Street although you would never see that listening to the debates.
     
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    I don't care what the stock market does. It is just a legitimized gambling casino. I do care about the economy and the national standard of living. I'd hate to see that go back a decade. I am neither a "trumpian" nor a sand eater.

    I'm not a fan of tariffs any more than Trump is. I do understand how they can be used as a negotiating tactic. Our trading partners have been protectionist for a long time. We lost that trade war a long time ago. It is good to see us standing up for ourselves for a change. I am neither a democrat or a republican. I hate political parties. Actually I hate politics in general.

    I haven't seen any disasters either. I agree that Trump is rude and that he says stupid things. I wish weren't that way just like you do. The difference is that I'm happy to ignore his weakness and concentrate on his action which I view as positive. I don't agree with everything he does, of course. I don't want a wall, for instance. But I agreed with only a tiny bit of what his predecessors did. I'm not a fan of Trump. I like where he is taking the country.
     
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    Yes, I see you now agree with me. Trump's tariffs and his resulting trade wars with China, Canada, Mexico, and the 28 countries of the EU could be disastrous. It just depends on how long this goes on before Congress reasserts his Constitutional duty to control taxation and tariffs.

    So far the Republican sheep have done nothing to rein in Trump's foolish policies.
     
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    Well, I do.

    Wall Street Crash. October 24, 1929, leading to the Great Depression.

    Financial crisis of 2007–08, Sept. 16, 2008, Had disastrous effects on the world economy along with world trade.

    "I don't care what the stock market does." Sheesh, Trumpians really do bury their heads in the sand. These are just two examples. There are dozens of examples where the stock market led to depressions and recessions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_market_crashes_and_bear_markets

    "Any more than Trump is." Are you purposely making yourself look stupid? You are unaware of the tariffs he has imposed. You can't possible be that dense.

    He promised protective tariffs, a liberal concept, in his campaign speeches.

    Trump is not using them as a negotiating tactic. Apparently, you are oblivious to what Trump has done. He is using tariffs as a weapon because he is a near total failure as a negotiator. In seventeen months, the great deal-maker has made one deal. That was with pliant South Korea, a nation dependent upon the U.S. for its very survival, and one with ulterior motives. It was like a parent making a deal with his child.

    That's the record of the great negotiator. No wonder he doesn't want to negotiate. He wants to threaten instead. Unfortunately, nations don't respond well to threats.

    Last week on the stock market all the gains from this year were wiped out in eight straight days of losses.

    It was a warning.
     
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    I think that Republicans MUST be aware that five months before midterms was NOT the ideal time to implement this policy. . . . The main reasons cited in the polls for his support are the economy and his MAGA agenda, and the prognosis for both is not good. I expect that GOP resistance will continue to grow.
     
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    Nope. I was just making a comment on the stock market. On average, it has done very well since Trump became president in spite of the recent losses.
     
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    A recent Gallup Poll shows that 90% of Republicans approve of Trump. https://news.gallup.com/poll/235751/trump-job-approval-tying-personal-best.aspx

    What are they approving? His tariffs policy has cause trade wars with China, Canada, Mexico, and the 28 countries of the EU. His summit with Kim Jong Un was no more than a glorified photo op during which Trump gave Kim three major concessions while Kim gave none, his immigration policy is a PR disaster, the White House is in chaos, the turnover rate for members of his staff is over 45%, and even though Congress is controlled by his party, he can't get any major legislation through except the tax bill. Health care is a disaster, and so is infrastructure. He refuses to hold regular press conferences because he is afraid of the White House press corps. He is the first President in 40 years to refuse to reveal his tax returns. He is being investigated by the special prosecutor for collaboration with a hostile foreign power and obstruction of justice.

    When his supporters are confronted with these issues, they run and hide, change the subject, make wisecracks, and/or provide cartoons. When faced with real issues, they can't approve of Trump.

    So, I ask, what are they approving? His good looks? His sexy First Lady? His bigotry? His xenophobia?
     
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    True, and Trump is doing his level best to erase all the gains since he became President. His tariffs have already erased all the gains made this year.

    In addition, you gave up supporting Trump's tariffs and the trade wars they caused. That is why I said we were in agreement.
     
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    I never said I gave them up. I am just getting tired of plowing the same ground with you day after day.
     
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    Today, the Republican Party is led intellectually not by the likes of William F. Buckley Jr. and Irving Kristol, but by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.[and Fox and Friends]

    Consider that Trump’s tariffs are opposed by a remarkable array of scholarly institutions across the political spectrum, including the conservative Heritage Foundation the libertarian Cato Institute , the center-left Brookings Institution and the left-wing Center for Economic and Policy Research. The White House barely offers serious arguments, instead providing a bogus justification for the tariffs — national security — even though China and Russia supply only a small portion of these goods to the United States.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...bf9d112159c_story.html?utm_term=.869cf0ccc76f
     
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