The economics behind windmills

Moonglow · Oct 16, 2019

Right is the way said: ↑

There was a plan to build a farm north of me in northwestern Iowa, but it was shut down because farmers along the transmission line refused to sign easements. The plan was to take that power to Chicago. The land owners thought that the amount they were to be paid one time was to little to have to put up with transmission line for the rest of their lives.
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Hell my back forty has transmission lines and I get paid zero by the electric company...

Right is the way · Oct 16, 2019

WillReadmore said: ↑

Quite possibly. I'd point out that pipelines require pumping stations along the route and include rights of access. Plus, as we know pipelines do rupture. Also, they are usually between 3 and 6 feet down. I'd suggest that a land owner is restricted in land use when pipelines can be that shallow. Subsoilers go down about 2 feet. That's pretty close given that land can change in elevation due to local phenomena. And, building any significant structure would be restricted.

This may all be acceptable to the landowner given the compensation, of course. But, it's a condemnation process where the landowner isn't given an option. In fact, we've seen state and local government lose to pipeline routing.
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Yes we run into that very situation with a propane line that crosses my ground for 1 mile. Definitely a pain to deal with.

Bowerbird · Oct 16, 2019

Nonnie said: ↑

I know, another Climate Warming thread....but.....scrap all efforts to this climate nonsense.

I watched this video on wind turbines, the byproduct of doing so was I didn't realise how little this Climate crap was impacting on the planet.

If anyone can debunk the figures, knock your pan in.
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Moncton!! Oh! Dear!

You have made my day!

Where did you dredge up that batshit crazy dinosaur?

Bowerbird · Oct 16, 2019

Nonnie said: ↑

No, I've seen many videos, not sure how you can work out how many videos a poster has seen when they've posted one.

The problem is, the sheer number you need to replace powerstations. Our landscapes (UK) are already blotted with wind turbines but they only generate 15% of our consumption. But what alarmists fail to see is when you move away from fossil fuels, our consumption dramatically increases. EV cars, electric boilers, electric heating, electric BBQ's, electric tools etc... So if the turbine quantities remained static, they might be able to satisfy, say, 1% of demand, if that. Probably more like 0.01%. And they're not as ecologically friendly as you think. They still need earth's resources to be built (steel etc..), welding creates climate change gases, acids and toxins, the actual turbines are not bird and bat friendly and no decommissioning costs or procedures are accounted for.

Hydro yes, thermal vents yes; solar no, wind no because the benefits of solar and wind is negligible. Cost is a major factor too, especially to cover infrastructure.
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I agree with willreadmore that videos are a VERY poor way of getting information

Basically they usually contain less truth than a used car salesman in a depression

Bowerbird · Oct 16, 2019

WillReadmore said: ↑

You need to look beyond one video you found.

Remember that I pointed out that wind energy is an economic choice today. Yet, this guy is suggesting it will cost us trillions of dollars. In fact, that's a fundamental of his argument.

If we need trillions of dollars of new energy, we should at least consider doing it in the most economic way possible.

In fact, if building wind farms is cheaper than operating coal fired power plants, then one can start imagining us moving away from coal in a stronger way than we already are - regardless of global warming!

He points to a specific collection of wind turbines from which to extrapolate his argument. However, wind turbines are constantly improving and corporations are becoming better at site selection.

In the end, I think this guy's math is highly questionable, as he has selected what he wants to compare and those selections show a strong bias against renewable energy.

One problem with these videos is that they don't include any review or critique of what is presented.
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It Monckton “highly questionable” is his forte
http://theconversation.com/monckton-watch-interrogating-the-lords-science-1984

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