The English baby that the British health plan want to kill should tell everyone a lot

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everyone that thinks a government involved in health is a good thing should look at the poor little English baby that the British health plan want to kill.

    This is exactly what government health plans come to ----------death panels!!!!!!!!!!!! And it is exactly why health plans shouldnt be run by government b'crats!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Death panels of course is the biggest problem with the Fed government involved in heath care, but health care costs go way up just to pay all the Washington b'crats that dictate what you can and cannot have. Spent heath care money on health care, not Washington b'crats.
     
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    private insurance has death panels.
     
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    but there is profit involved so it is OK with the conservatives...
     
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    Give us a case history.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the US would get socialized medicine, how much would we have to pay the b'crats that sit on death panels?
     
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    The difference being that if the insurance denies coverage, the parents can still have the child treated on their own bill, but if the government denies coverage, there's nowhere else to go. This is the problem with ALL monopolies, but government monopolies in particular.
     
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    That baby is going to die regardless. The parents want to torture it to make themselves feel better. The government is looking out for the child's wellbeing and seeking to not prolong its suffering.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But if private insurance turns people down, they can still to to the government for help. But if health care comes from the government, and people get turned down, where do they go then.

    Waiting for your answer to this.
     
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    govt. will only give you health insurance if you have basically zero assets.

    so if private insurance tells you to **** off, you're basically dead unless you're poor
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And no, if private ins says no people can go to the gov.
    But you are not answering the question. Look at the baby from England, the GOVERNMENT says die kid, you are worthless. They have no where else to go.
     
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    no, you can only go to the govt. for health insurance if you are poor.
     
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    I realize a baby can't talk, but as an adult if I was made to suffer for a bit so I can MAYBE live a long, healthy, fun life......I would be willing to suffer a bit.

    Also scares the crap out of me that a government is deciding what is good for someone and they you are backing it. Government starts deciding what is good for people where does it end? Who decides what is good for people?
     
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    NATURE is the one saying "die kid". Doctors are saying, this kid has suffered enough and doesn't have any hope for recovery or improvement.

    The parents are saying "please let us torture our son a little while longer so we can feel better".
     
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    This kid doesn't have any hope of living a long, healthy, fun life.
     
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    Especially in this case. People have donated enough to this child's parents to have him treated in the US. Why would these bureaucrats and doctors even care? I would venture a guess that if the child recovers with treatment the doctors and bureaucrats would have major egg on their faces, and the NHS would be chastised for screwing up. Can't have that happen.
     
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    is there something preventing these parents from obtaining passports for themselves and traveling here for treatment?
     
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    This comes very close to rationales for euthanasia, which a lot of people don't feel comfortable with.
     
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    Even if this experimental treatment worked, and there is zero evidence it will because a) it wasn't even intended to work on the condition Charlie Gard has and b) it doesn't work in most cases for the condition it actually was designed to treat, Charlie Gard isn't going to be living a long, healthy fun life because the amount of brain damage he already has means he's going to be hooked up to machines for the rest of his life.
     
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    Because it's better for people to suffer than die and go to heaven, right?

    The religious argument against Euthanasia just shows how little faith they really have.
     
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    Not sure what you mean. Are you saying that if someone is suffering a lot, it's ok to kill him?

    I am not religious.
     
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    Nature will kill Charlie Gard. It's not right to prolong the torture of someone just to make someone else feel better.

    He will never know a world outside of a hospital bed even if this treatment works, and given the level of brain damage and retardation that would result from it, it's likely he wouldn't even "know" that.
     
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    Possibly the most callous and cruel post I've ever read on this board.
     
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    It's exactly what they are saying. Every single doctor save the one with the conflict of interest that they are going to pay a fortune to says this treatment does nothing but prolong Charlie's torment. It puts him through pain for no purpose.

    Even if it did work, he has massive brain damage. He's not going to live a healthy happy fun life.

    That the parents are pushing for this treatment shows they value their own feelings more than they care about the suffering of their child.
     
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    Yes, the government. The hospital will not release the baby from the hospital. The parents challenged it and it went to court. Court backed the hospital, so the parents when to the EU, and the EU backed the hospital. Effectively meaning that the Government has the child and will not release him to the parents. Not even to go home and die at home with people that love him.

    Google Charlie Gard and you'll find many articles on the situation.
     

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