The English baby that the British health plan want to kill should tell everyone a lot

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    What does he have to offer the world beyond a cautionary tale about inflicting harm to others when it just prolongs their suffering?
     
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    Wait a second we have two outside party's here..the Vatican and America..

    What's the problem if Charlie is allowed to go to either hospital?

    What is your personal game to see this baby die , so you can feel good about yourself?


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    The Pope is not a medical expert. His opinion can be dismissed.

    The doctor in America stands to make massive personal profit from this. He is compromised. After all, if he told the parents that the treatment wasn't going to work, how likely would they be to give him a million dollars?

    My "personal game" is to not see a child tortured so the parents can feel better.
     
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    Translation~ you want people to die , I want people to live. Remind me not to go in battle with you ..you would put a bullet in my head before dragging me out to safety with just a broken leg.


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    Yes, you and the Pope has so little faith in your God and fear death so much that you both would rather see a child suffer than risk the chance that he goes to meet said God.
     
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    So the Vatican Don't have doctor's and hospitals now? Yet you love the pope when he is now an expert at AGW with his top advisor Naomi Klein..

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    Once again you can't change the world when your dead , now can you?

    I have no problem with dying because I know I will go to heaven, but once again not much I can do to change the attitude of people ..


    Well when I am dead..


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    Which is why abortion must sound so humane to you?
     
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    The baby has brain damage at the cellular level this is turning into another schiavo thing , when all the lunatics came out of the wood work screaming about the same thing this baby is going through
    If this so call god of the christers gave a **** he would cure this baby , or prevented it in the first place
     
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    no, you don't KNOW, you believe and were taught to BELIEVE that
     
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    sure sounds like a Schiavoite argument
     
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    Seem to me that the logic of pulling the plug on this baby is the same as discontinuing treatment of babies with AIDS, cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, and other incurable diseases. Since they're all going to die, and all will experience serious levels of discomfort while alive, why not just let them starve now and end their pointless suffering?
     
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    My main point is who is the one that decides what is best for Charlie if the parents have the wherewithal and willing Doctors to seek and receive treatment ? Why should the govt have this say so even if it doesn't affect them?
     
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    I was not taught that , I came to believe after 52 years alive..you live in a bubble guno and never opened up your eyes.


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    The court in the UK. As it stands now Charlie Gard is a prisoner of the state.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Every hospital has a death panel. They decide if a procedure has a 50% chance of success in terms of quality of life. If not, they can veto it, meaning shifting to goal towards making the person comfortable until dying. This is nothing new.
     
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    That's just outright false.
     
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    You have a link? If this was the case why are Charlie's parents trying so hard?


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    Then let a pregnant woman go to a court to sue her fetus. See if this will fly.
     
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    Look at the mother and baby , so you are telling me Charlie should just die?


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    None of the Vatican's doctors have examined the child.
     
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    How much do severely brain damaged people change the world?
     
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    I don't think abortion is humane. I think abortion is the natural consequence of bodily sovereignty.
     
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