Not that I am going to talk about the current difficulties with the Euro zone or something. Or problems with the immigrantion policies or integration issues or even the philosophical enjoyment of whether the EU will turn out to be a United states of Europe or not. This is about simpler thing. Simpliest thing you can ever imagine! Think about this, the US is a very, I mean, VERY powerful country in the world in terms of economy, politics and military. Right? We all know how powerful she is. But imagine that a country, Mexico, is saying that the Mexican army is going to occupy San Diego. I mean, yeah as If it were not already enough Mexican illegals, but for the sake of story, the Mexican Army starts to occupy San Diego in front of the world eyes. And Washington does nothing about it. Mexico finishes the job and builds a country there called "The newest mexico", the only thing Washington ever capable of is to say that "We are not going to recognize it." in a girlish manner. Yeah, funnily enough, this is what the EU said when Turkey occupied the part of Cyprus, which is a full member of the EU right now. the UK, Germany, France, you name it, the big guys did nothing. So the union of 450 million failed so f*cking badly. I have no respect for the EU, especially for the reason of this. A Muslim country has the balls to occupy the EU. and this so called union can do nothing about it. What a joke!
Turkey is a proud nation! Nobody is likely to play fool with proud nations as the EU does with Turkey! Europeans nudge turkey to recall their terrible miltary past as the first rate military power. Even today it may easily play the first violin in the Middle East!
I sadly have to agree with you. The EU is a joke. Most, including the educated people and myself, have little knowledge of what happens in the EU as the media fails to keep us informed. We maybe vote for someone to represent us but I don't know who they are and what they do once elected. It has little military power (which is a good thing) however seems to have too much power over individual states in terms of passing laws. Some of these laws only seem to fit one nation and not the rest, such as the fishing quotas of the North Sea. I was a big fan of the EU until recently and I love its Human Rights Bill, and the freedom of movement between EU states. However the power seems to lay only in Germany, France and Belgium. I liked the idea of a single currently however as we have seen in the past couple of years is that it simply doesn't work. Greece were unable to make changes to its currently so to avoid its financial problems while wealthier nations like Germany did not want to put it hand in it pocket and bail it out. The Euro now looks doom and if the Euro goes it could take the EU out with it sadly. At least the EU has made Europe get along for once.
Come on, you can't do whatever you want just because you're a NATO member. NATO doesn't work like that. Though I don't want to put this as an achievement of Turkish pride. This is more about the inability of the EU.
You and I both see the EU as a waste of time and money. However, I have no interest in Cyprus and our government should not interject into the long and ongoing Greek-Turkish feud. The EU (or at least the Eurozone) will have to crumble in the near future. It is not likely that France and Germany will be able to continue playing this silly game with each other when the interests of both states are vastly different.
I don't understand why Turkey is in NATO. It shouldn't be. Turkish interests and Western interests are antithetical. Turkey should withdraw from NATO.
I have always believed that North Cyprus should be requisitioned as an independent state. The reason for Turkey to invaded in 1973 were very valid. Today you have 2 nations there, not one! North and South Cyprus. The whole island is called Cyprus, but there is no nation by that name! There should be, but as long as the South Cyprus government won't accept the plan suggested in (I think it was) 2004, which North Cyprus did, there wont be. And will never understand who EU can accept that? So yeah, EU is a huge joke!
Yeah, I agree that actually the UK is okay with the current situation in Cyprus. But the EU fails really badly. So does France and Germany. Turkey is doing well in NATO. She benefits from NATO and even she abuses NATO to reach her political goals. Why the h*ll should Turkey withdraw from NATO? You should question NATO, not Turkey. Besides when Turkey invaded Cyprus, Greece wanted NATO to stand against the occupation, and when NATO failed, Greece withdrawn from NATO instead. So think about the credibility of Western Allience. You are right though. Turkey had valid reasons to occupy Northern Cyprus. But this is about the Turkish perspective, what I wanted to point out here is the perspective of EU regarding the issue. That's why I made a correlation between the US-Mexico.
Wait a little bit, be patient, Sarrazin is still not the German's chancellor and Wilders not EU - President.
Strictly speaking, the EU didn't even excist when Turkish hordes invaded Cyprus. Also, Cyprus joined the EU when Turkish forces were on the island for about 30 years (?) or so. Europeans are not so dumb and emotional as Turks, and go to war for a small piece of land that means really nothing. Not to mention the civilian population wants to part of the EU. It's really funny the OP tries to "brush off" the EU as some weak entity over Cyprus. Anyhow, if Turks don't leave Cyprus they will never be part of the EU: Turks are holding themselves hostage -- like a patient in the psychiatric hospital. It doesn't get any more crazy than that indeed.
Europeans are not so dumb and emotional as Turks? Lol. Turkish invasion was a professional millitary operation which helped Turkey to increase its control in Eastern Mediterranean. Turkey has achieved the technical goals. Another funny thing is Turkey is a candidate state for the EU. WTF? Man, if you think about it, this is so absurd. As if Turkey were making fun of the EU. And one more thing, If a counry is allowed into the EU, it becomes part of the EU, therefore its soil becomes part of European soil™. So this is more about the credibility of the EU.
In 2002, the Spanish almost went to war with the Moroccans over an uninhabited rock in the Mediterranean...
Could someone please explain to me exactly what the term European means? It used to mean a 'white' skinned christian, but now it means a citizen ( undefined ) of a geographical area called Europe, but exactly where is this area, because when I look at my globe all I see is a land mass called Eurasia. Of course the same applies to America and the land mass of North America, so may be the Mexican Army is justified in taking back SW USA - after all the majority living there ( illegally ) is Mexican!
Hello Bertie (Bert?, Berta?, Albert? Alberta?,...), welcome to the forum. This is impossible to determine since most individuals use the term "Europe" in different contexts: sometimes for the "EU", sometimes for the entire set of nations consisting on the European continent (including e.g. Ukraine, Belarus, etc.), sometimes they mean just a group of European countries (incl. Switzerland, excl. Croatia), etc. I understand your, mostly academical, concern, but on this forum it's an impossible excercise to make. Kind regards,
Ancient Greeks invented this term to tell themselves from other tribes and people they knew at that time (future frenchmen,brits, sassons. utalians ecc). These nations were considered barbarians. Today nobody knowa what it is! Georgians (!!!) say the are Europeans and want to join the EU, even Ukrainians that have little slavonic blood and srang up on the turc tribes land except for some patches of land claim to be Europeans lent alone other central and eastern european countries who according to the Greek social ideas could never be European in the original sense of this word.even in the worst dream! Don't forget that about 2000 years ago German were considered not Europeans bu some euro bureacrats that existed at those times. I think being European today is a kind of political tool for newly born puppet artificial states to influence different nations an countries.However it's no more as valuable to be European as it was even 10 years ago.
Don't forget that about 200 years ago German were considered not Europeans by some euro bureacrats that existed at those times.
