The Fallacies of Evolution Redux Irony

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  1. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    It happens then report the crime and let them gather evidence, then its a sex crime, and then the disposition of the child goes to the man who has the authority over the woman father or husband or brother etc. The man might allow for the abortion or not if not then he decides about the child being cared for also being the man overseeing the woman he is to provide for her and any children.
     
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    Really ???

    I grew up in New York City, and Abortion was then illegal, when I was 10 years old, I remember reading about Mothers getting these back room abortions performed by failed medical students, or defrocked alcoholic Physicians, or completely unqualified personnel, ending up with massive post op infections and often dying, since I was not a teen or medically certified yet, you can search archived records, and see if it was so.
     
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  3. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like I said, when you can provide some legitimate statistics let us know, until then they are just horror stories made up by the left to scare people.

    Show us this epidemic of mass back alley abortions taking thousands of women's lives each year because abortion wasn't legal.

    I double dare ya.
     
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    Your acting like a spoiled bratty child, helps nothing, and when I heard of these things from My Parents that opposed Abortion, as we discussed these topics openly and frankly when I was a lad.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you have no statistics.

    Do you know why?

    Because they don't exist, like I said, its a lie told by liberals.

    Sorry but your parents telling you a story over dinner does not equate to factual evidence.

    Ask yourself why no pro-death group ever puts forth these statistics in their arguments.

    Why do you think that is.....I mean if they had them they would be plastered everywhere.....in 1942 61,492 women were found dead due to faulty illegal abortions.

    Never happened.
     
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    No, but the N.Y. Times articles and Television News, and our Neighbor that was found dead in her apartment shortly after a botched Abortion, might have been evidence and factual as well as this posted video.

     
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    No one is disputing they happened but certainly not to any degree the left portrays it as.

    They say that if abortions are illegals there will be a flood of women doing it illegally, well that never happened.

    Sure some will here and there, hell they do it now, but it was never and never will be a crisis.
     
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    That is your opinion.
    I came to my opinion because I saw what making Abortion illegal did.
    And my opinion was after long consideration.
     
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    That's my opinion because you won't supply us with any facts.

    We have statistics from all sorts of things during pre-legalized abortion so where are your numbers?

    For instance, I can tell you for a fact that only six people died of starvation during the entire Great Depression, can you tell us how many had illegal abortions?
     
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    I would say those were false figures.

    Medically you can die from starvation even with a daily supply of meals.

    And no, I do not have those figures.
    I doubt such figures were kept then.
     
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    Nope, those were the documented cases.

    One was a child who got lost in the woods.

    The second was a man who apparently died starving himself to death, his body was found right around the corner from a soup kitchen.

    The last four were trapped inside a house after the ceiling collapsed, trapping them inside.

    That's it.

    If there were others they were not documented as starvation.

    We also have suicide numbers but oddly, no numbers for women being admitted for illegal abortions.

    Ya think that maybe that number was so low they didn't bother to even account for it?
     
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    Ever read a report describing cause of death ?
    Sometimes the report is not clear as to the actual cause of death, and details are left out.

    Massive trauma, loss of blood, no mention of getting run over by a huge truck.
     
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    Ok, let's see the numbers of those reports.
     
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    In the decade when Grimes was born, the 1940s, there were records of more than 1,000 women dying each year from unsafe and largely self-induced abortions. Every large municipal hospital in the U.S. had a “septic abortion ward,” and treatment for the complications from so-called “incomplete abortion” was the single leading cause for admission for OB-GYN services across the country. National Opinion Research Center surveys conducted in the 1960s found that hundreds of women were attempting to self-abort by penetrating themselves with knitting needles, coat hangers, bicycle spokes, ballpoint pens; others tried to swallow chemicals like turpentine, laundry bleach, and acid.

    https://thinkprogress.org/what-amer...about-the-era-before-roe-v-wade-19687b9e9b16/

    Many unsafe abortions pre R v W
     
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    Padron me if I believe documented evidence above your opinion.
     
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    Fine, I do also, so show us the documented evidence or go away.
     
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    Gosh how funny that Thinkprogress doesn't provide us with those records isn't it?

    Where are they?

    Certainly they would have linked them if they actually had them don't ya think?

    Thinkprogress, Thinkbullshit.
     
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    The evidence has been provided yet you dispute and ignore it....why should I trey again?

    Still...one never knows:
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    ROME, Oct. 11 — A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.

    Moreover, the researchers found that abortion was safe in countries where it was legal, but dangerous in countries where it was outlawed and performed clandestinely. Globally, abortion accounts for 13 percent of women’s deaths during pregnancy and childbirth, and there are 31 abortions for every 100 live births, the study said."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html
     
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    Records of illegal abortions?
    Medical records of women being treated after performing their own illegal abortion?

    Where do you think the number came from? Faux?

    You can believe if you wish that there were none or few illegal abortions all you want. For reality rarely is a RW trait.
     
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    Somehow an Old Guy hiding behind a child Anime avatar seems hardly RW or LW, just seems quite Odd-ish. .....
     
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    Yes there is an issue the Bible says the Creation took six days and therefore couldn't have taken millions of years for live to evolve so there is a conflict and well if one accepts the Bible then by default one must deny Evolution.
     
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    What "never happened" was taking the time and trouble to do any research by those opposed to women having the right to an abortion.

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    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4838a2.htm

     
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