The false god(s) of physics

Because this subject keeps cropping up in thread after thread I have decided to make a thread dedicated to the subject where everyone can bring their einsteinian beliefs and have them tested against reality.

The latest religion to be debunked is based on a false god einsteinism.

The notion and idea that einstens theories are believed by a large group and to them stand infallibly unchallengable.

couple references to get us started:

couple definitions showing there is in substance no distinguishable difference between metaphysics and supernatural:

People actually 'believe' that:
space warps
time compresses
time travel is possible
c is the speed limit, (used to be the speed of sound was the speed limit)
warped space forces 'stuff' to change is path as it moves through space.
first he claimed the aether did not exist, then when he discovered he could not reconcile it with Newton claimed it did exist creating his 'shape-shifting' ---you believe me dont you?---relativity. (and a plethora of other junk science produced by this guy, I can go on and on with the false beliefs people have thanks to his junk physics)

Hatch was an expert in the use of GPS for precision farming, as well as other high precision applications.

Finally my favorite, NASA hired Ron Hatch because they were unable to get accurate clocks using Einsteins relativity, and neither could Ron Hatch get reasonable accuracy from the GPS system using einsteins relativity. He fixed both NASA's problem and the GPS problems by not using either SR or GR as worshiped by religious Einstinian fanatics.

Countless posts have been made in homage to Einsteins GR and SR, none of which are actually 'proven' outside the fictional model despite the claims these devotees make to the contrary.

I intend to show that Einstein, more affectionatly known as Weinerstein, did not invent 'relativity', he did create a fictional model, (which is metaphysical, not physical), and he did not receive the nobel prize for the invention of relativity, like most people think and believe and that Einsteins 'version' of relativity does not work.

That Einsteins fame is the product of great marketing despite being worshiped by faithful uninformed people ultimately proving Einstein is a 'false god' not worthy of the devotion and loyalty his intimate believers and followers ascribe to him.

One thing all religions have in common, they are all based in 'faith'.

You will see that believers in SR and GR cannot prove their claimed realities outside the mathematical model (which produces untenable errors in today's precise knowledge of the physical world) despite the fact they believe in them faithfully.

Most anything believed (unproven) that flies in the face of 'proven' facts qualifies as a religion.

Take your best shots!

 

Are the current "proven" facts actually proven? Or, are they just more mathematical theories or hypothesis's? Or are they allusions created by God who lives outside the physical universe?

 

Facts that disprove both einees gr and sr are proven to my satisfaction.

Nope empircal evidence.

I cant speak to your God, however most dieties are in the supernatural realm or its sister realm, metaphysics

This whole thing started with the claim space can be bent.

To which the reply was:

and of course when you want a straight answer we turn to Tesla, someone who resides in the 'real' world.

Then you see things like this:

Which is claimed can be bent,while at the same time no one can explain what this fabric is made of that can cause the direction of travel of an object to change its course or light to bend from its original path. They go silent, move the goal posts, and cry "off topic", so now its on topic and they have the opportunity to prove out there religious views.

Einee was a plagiarist!
He repeated others work claiming it for himself.
He is not the father of relativity though as you can see those who worship him believe he saved the world with it, when if anything he set physics back 100 years.

Thats what happens when these people are worshiped and their theories become a religion.

 

Wow! How about that, after they saw this, I just received one concession in the 'outside of the universe' thread with regard to this thread!

1 down 4 to go! LOL

 

I pointed out earlier in a reply to you that science has falsification, not positive truth. Science works by eliminating false statements as fast as humanly possible.

To have positive proof, humans would need to know all there is to know. It's the probelm Newton faced when he came up with law that works at normal speed, but when light speed is considered, his laws totally fail. Nobody at the time had any idea that speed would affect how phyics works. ANY "proof" a human of the time would have creted would have been false, because humans don't know everything. And, we still don't.

The theory of relativity gets tested every single day of the week, and that has been the case every since it was first tested more than 100 years ago.

Did you mean "illusions"? I think so. Allusions are hints only.

Once you accept that god is actively doing stuff on Earth you can kiss science goodbye forever.

For example, you could say that gravity is god moving stuff around in a pattern that we ony THINK is natural. In other words, not even GRAVITY has anything to do with science.

For example, you could say that god creates photons flying at Earth in a way that makes it only LOOK like this universe is old, when it is really young.

For example, you could say that absolutely NOTHING existed yesterday - god only created everything since then, placing in us what we see as memories. Your children were created with the memories they have and you with your memories of them, though they were made last night at 1:00 am by god.

Like I say, once you attribute actions on Earth as coming from god, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING you can claim to be a natural cause/effect relationship, because anyone can proclaim that "god did it". And, there is no refutation for that.

At some point you have to decide whether there are ANY natural phenomena in the universe.

The BIBLE has an opinion on this. There is a verse in Genesis where it is stated that god created this universe such that we may explore it by OBSERVATION.

That is the single most fundamental basis for science. And, if we can't do that, then there IS NO SCIENCE. Period.

One really can't claim that features of our observations are faked by god AND say that there is such a thing as science.

 

and that is precisely why weeniers theories are not science, but instead 'metaphysics'.

Thats not true as stated either.

But good ole Newton through a modified Lorentz theorem which is NOT einsteinism was used to correct the errors produced by weenies theory in our gps system.

Oh?
How did 'speed' change anything?

 

Einstein physics in a religion thread? There is a certain cognitive dissonance. Religion is religion and physics, the study of the physical world, is physics. I'm sure I'm wrong here but I don't see the connection.

 

Someone’s jealous of Einstein. Why?

 

God is the author of physics. There is your connection

 

That is really thin.

 

FALSE

If it was not clear enough, despite I made it perfectly clear in the OP, to anyone willing to actually READ the OP, einsteinism is a religion, if not religion philosophy, therefore properly placed in a religion thread.

you do understand that 'metaphysics' is the supernatural without a specific deity?

if not religion it is still valid under philosophy since metaphysics is in fact part of philosophy.

You can prove its not metaphysics:

Now if you think that is not the case, einsteinism believes that space can 'physically' warp, (its never been scientifically proven, or observed), so feel free to prove to us that warped 'space' is a fact, Im sure you will get the nobel prize for it since they refused to give it to eineeweener then you will prove to us it is in fact 'physics' and not 'metaphysics'. Thats just the tip of the iceberg.

otherwise you may want to reread the OP and the links provided.

 

einsteinism, gr and sr is bunk. jealous of bunk?

 

He just don't like Jews....just simply say it and quit beatin' around the bush.

 

Very interesting article, but to understand it you need to know more than basic physics – I don’t have this knowledge.

There are two ways to judge if a theory is true:
One is a boring and difficult: first to understand it, to check the calculations, to check testing results.
The other way is fun and easy: to trust someone.
For example instead of checking how viruses are created and spreading, how different proteins or vitamins affect virus, why virus mutations appears - you can just trust someone who will declare what is true and what is false. If a self declared genius will declare that UV light and disinfectant injections are the solution to fight the corona virus, because the virus is nothing more that some political party hoax which anyway will disappear in April – you just believe him.

I love the fun and easy way – so I trust Ron Hatch.
My only question – when Ron Hatch published his theory in scientific magazines – what was the reaction of other scientists?

 

Lol koko still thinks he’s disproven Einstein and all of modern physics

 

In the real world, the physical world, one really has nothing to do with the other. Many parts of the general theory have proved true through actual tests and observation. Where it is at fault, if it is at fault, will be dealt with by others in the field. We may be in a render unto Caesar issue.

 

How TRUE science actually works!

 

I feel like you are trying to disprove science using philosophy. That's like trying to argue that a boat cannot float and then pushing your car into the river as the example of why a boat cannot float.

It makes no sense.

If you want to potentially disprove the time distortion theory, you need to evaluate the instruments used to measure the distortion. In particular they used an atomic clock, but the atomic clock measures the cycles the frequency of light from a cesium atom to determine time. How does gravity effect this frequency and the light?

In short, were they measuring the distortion of time or just the distortion of that particular clock? What other means of time measurement can we use to show that it isn't just the clock, but time itself that was effected by gravity?

These would be relevant questions to ask pertaining to the theory.

Yes, there are a number of people who will treat rational skepticism with disdain. Yes those people are religious like in the scientific zeal. I don't think that is proof that Einstein was wrong though. It's a completely unrelated problem.

 

Still pretending that you have revolutionized physics, huh? That Nobel Prize ever come in the mail?

 

WOW total subterfuge right out of the gate! This isnt about me, you dont see one paper that I have written posted yet you pretend its my theory! strike 1!

You could help these religious people out though by proving that space can physically warp and change the direction of travel of an object passing through the alleged warp. That would prove its real science, since they refused to give weenee the nobel prize for his relativity maybe you can pick up and win it?

 

DOUBLE WOW! You think einweenee invented all of modern physics? Seriously? and that disproving weenee disproves all of physics? Thats so over the top I cant even wrap my mind around around it. Have you proven time travel yet?

 

So the god Einstein does not exist?

 

It is ****ing hilarious that you still post this moronic bullshit and think you’ve actually disproven Einstein and all of modern physics. Lol